(June 5, 2012 at 4:51 am)ElDinero Wrote: Firstly, just because you didn't use the word 'cunt', doesn't make your comments less insulting. By throwing a blanket over any group of people and describing them all as immoral based on your stupid, narrow, black and white view, you're being every bit as insulting and rude.
On the actual point, if there were no military/department of defence/law enforcement in your country, where exactly do you think you'd be? Fucking dead, that's where. You can sit there and say 'well everyone should stop fighting/committing crimes and we wouldn't need those things' all you like, but what use is it? On a point like this, it's only useful to talk about what is and is not required in the real world, not some fanciful utopia. And like I say, without those things, the rights and privileges you hold dear would likely have been destroyed long, long ago.
I don't think there's any ignorance in what I said, I can break it down quite rationally:
-Killing is immoral
-The point of being a soldier is to kill people in war
-Ergo, being a soldier is immoral
It's a blanket term that applies to 'blanket' behaviour; killing.
Yes, everyone should stop fighting and committing crimes, that's the endgoal of these institutions but no good comes about through control by violence. To say that military violence is righteous as it would protect you from other people's violence is completely redundant, murdering masses of people can't be right.
Let's see, if there were no departments of defence in the world? I am pretty sure I wouldn't be dead, there need be no wars if no country had an army, keeping to oneself is all that is required. If there was no British ministry of defence then sure, we might be attacked and people would die but I'd abhor that use of military force, because killing is wrong.
You're basically stating that killing is right because if not then I'd be killed, but this rests on the assumption that me being killed is wrong, so what you're saying is that it's ok to kill to stop killing, which seems only to support the argument that killing is wrong.
Claiming that we can only concentrate on the way things are is ignorant, you shouldn't resign yourself to settling for a world of wars, that's basically saying 'wars are bad but we do it so you'll just have to get over it'. That's ridiculous, just because I think we should move towards a conflictless utopia, it doesn't mean that I'm being unreasonable.
If nobody had those things then the rights and freedoms I hold dear would be given to everyone, nobody would be in the army and thus there would be no state-sponsored murders, I don't get how that is wrong?
Religion is an attempt to answer the philosophical questions of the unphilosophical man.
