(September 1, 2009 at 11:59 am)Tiberius Wrote:(September 1, 2009 at 8:46 am)I_Fight_for_Jesus_Christ Wrote: Im not exactly questioning the fact of non-benificial mutations. Like I have said in my first post this fact has been confirmed by science and therefore I cant deny it.Good! Now explain why you deny the rest of evolution, which has been (to use your words) "confirmed by science"?
That's the problem mate... It hasn't. If it would have then I would have no problem with it. Theories pop up and die down all the time with evolution. There is no slolid rock to stand upon.
(September 1, 2009 at 1:01 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: If you expect me to answer can you use theQuote:QUOTEfacility ... I cannot tell where my points end and yours begin.
Kyu
Sorry Kyu, just figgured out how to use it. I did try before but it kind of didn't work.
(September 1, 2009 at 1:55 pm)Saerules Wrote: So you think beneficial mutations do not occur? People are not made superior, only inferior to the 'normal' person? That makes an awful lot of sense, doesn't it? Maybe we are all clones, with just negative and benign mutations to make us different? 0.o
Well I havent heard of any superior genetic condition beng passed on to the next generation. Of course we're all different, but that is mostly by neutral mutations.
(September 1, 2009 at 2:00 pm)amw79 Wrote: There has been many examples of beneficial mutations - the peppered moth being the standard example of observed evolution on a quick scale.
With regards to beneficial mutation in humans, see the following link and note bullet points 3 and 4 in the below paragraph
2.Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
•Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
•Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
•Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
•A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
•Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
•In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
Extremely interesting stuff.Thanks for the input. But, the writer failed to point out that the "benificial mutants" can actally turn inferior when the determining factor is removed and normal conditions are ensued.
But guys, don't you realise that by pssting those evolutionary articles you are as credible to me as I would have been to you if I would have pasted Genesis 1 here? Which to Christians is as much confirmed by science as The Origin of Species is to evolutionists?
Atheism: The beleif that there was nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything..... Makes perfect sense. :confused2: