A question to the darwinists.

[Tiberius]

And actually a bit more than what Adrian says beleive in creation... I dont know where you got your figures from mate. And are you not doing the same by ignoring the creationist arguments and evidences? I mean I'm a rookie at this, and am mainly doing this for the sake of the dabate, but other scientists have proved darwinists wrong and blown them outta the water.

I get my figures from the National Academy of Science; you get yours from creationism institutes. We don't ignore the evidence of creationists, but all their evidence and arguments have been refuted. That is how science works. If a creationist came up with irrefutable evidence that evolution was wrong, science would have to accept it.

Please give us a few of these arguments that have "proved darwinists wrong", because nobody in science seems to have ever heard them (or they have heard them and subsequently debunked them).

Now then, fair enough lets presume that benificial mutations indeed DID occur... So that means that out of a 100,000,000 of them Hominids, or whatever you guys claim that we have evolved from, only 1 would have a benificial mutation. Provided that that one is not killed by any other factor, (ie, eaten by a predator, die by accident etc. the possibilites of that would be enormous in the primeval world)before it reproduces, the genetic line of that mutant must be contued until the numbers of the species with the same mutation have reached 100,000,000. Now theother must have been dying off by now, even though their numbers would be 100,000,000x100,000,000 approx. (I cant be bothered to write all the zeros again sorry). So then that lot dies off. And in the 100,000,000 of the benificial mutants ANOTHER benificial mutation must take place.... Provided that that one is not killed by any other factor, (ie, eaten by a predator, die by accident etc. the possibilites of that would be enormous in the primeval world) etc.etc. The process must be repeated millions of times until the homo sapiens would have been achieved. And each benificial mutant must survive until it reproduces etc. The odds are totally agains the whole thing. Guys, are you serious by saying that all this fitted into 4 million years?

This all just shows that you have absolutely no understanding of basic biology or evolution. You are creating a strawman version of evolution and then proceeding to tear that down. It's not what evolution says happens at all. Mutations gradually disperse through a species, but during that time new mutations arise and are also dispersed. Evolution doesn't wait until a mutation is fully dispersed before having another one; it is not working towards any end goal at all.

Odds aren't involved at all, because the only odds you place on such events are after they have taken place. You cannot place odds on a system that works towards no goal, because there is no end goal to have a probability on.