RE: Scientific ACCURACIES in the Bible
June 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2012 at 4:57 pm by Drich.)
(June 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: There are many different lexicons. Often times they also given varying meanings for the word in question. How do you decide which meaning of the word is best? So far, my favoring of "circle" is supported by every lexicon I've come across, and most translations, old and modern, use it as well. Compass is given as well in the lexicons. So how do you decide which one to use? If you say context, then you haven't shut me up yet by appealing to a lexicon because we're still arguing over which word the context requires.If you use a lexicon that was used in a given translation then that lexicon will tell you which defination to use in a given passage to the corrsponding translation. (Which has been the case when I have sought to correct your understanding)
Quote:This will be the third time I've said this. You haven't shown that the passage requires the alternative meaning to make sense of the larger context.I have answered this two or three times now, but in your quick dismissals, you choose to ignore what was said rather than acknoweledge it.
Quote: Your use of the alternative meaning seems unnecessary in trying to support the overall context of the passage. A literal interpretation can just as well demonstrate God's "scope and reach."Not If There Isn't A Hebrew Word that Directly Translates Into The Word Sphere! (Maybe 5th or 6th time I've said that)
Quote:And again, you've completely ignored the historical context of the phrase "circle of the earth." I provided evidence that you refused to address that mesopotamian cultures used this same phrase in connection to flat earth cosmologies. The bible wasn't written in a vacuum. Perhaps you're operating on some extreme sola scriptura principle?Again, if there wasn't a 3 dimentional word that could substitute for the word that describes an all encompassing circle, then how else could it be described?
You are not recognising the limitations of the language, primarly because your using commentary that focouses on the english definations or understandings of concepts and principles rather than the word orgins themselves.
Quote:It's helpful to look at the verse once more:Seriously? Are you intentionally being obstinate, or do you still not understand that the context of the passage extends beyong the one verse you are only willing to look at?
Here is the complete context of the passage in question:
Isaiah 40:21-24 (MSG) | Whole Chapter
21-24Have you not been paying attention?
Have you not been listening?
Haven't you heard these stories all your life?
Don't you understand the foundation of all things?
God sits high above the circle of earth.
The people look like mere ants.
He stretches out the skies like a canvas—
yes, like a tent canvas to live under.
He ignores what all the princes say and do.
The rulers of the earth count for nothing.
Princes and rulers don't amount to much.
Like seeds barely rooted, just sprouted,
They shrivel when God blows on them.
Like flecks of chaff, they're gone with the wind.
Again this points to God's power, position and authority. this passage was not written as a science lesson, but as an acknoweledgement to an all Mighty God. If you adhear to the context of the passage in question and not your selection of one word, and how that word can be interpereted in the english, (effectivly ignoring the hebrew) this discussion if effectivly over.
(June 12, 2012 at 11:34 am)hoppimike Wrote: Drich (or anyone)... can you find a single good example of an accuracy in the Bible? Something maybe spookily ahead of its time?
I see lots of examples of INTERPRETATIONS that suggest things, but they're always very, very vague - the Bible is a long book and somewhere in there there's bound to be a few bit and pieces that sound like current scientific theory.
Really, to create a ripple in this thread Drich and "educate us", all you need to do is present good examples of accuracies in the Bible like this that can be proven to be true beyond "reasonable doubt"
From what I understand, the book of "Revelations" is a whole book dedicated to that effort. However understanding/making sense of what was written in the english or Greek is another matter competely.