Atheism

[Kyuuketsuki]

Both those points are bullshit Kyu.

No they're not.

Well for one thing I don't accept that it is necessary to believe there is no god to be an atheist.

The definition of atheist is a lack of a belief in god or other supernatural beings.

Which, as Trojan pointed out, is not the same thing as believing there is no god!

Yes, I think if someone does actively believe that (there is no god) then it is effectively a religious position because there is no more evidence there is no god than there is one.

Rejecting a claim on the basis of it being unconvincing or, in the case of religion, completely absent of evidence is NOT RELIGIOUS! It is simply the rejection of an idea. I'm not religious in terms of my atheism any more than i am rejecting homeopathy, my anti-homeopathy isn't a religion and neither is my rejection of the 'MAGIC MAN' concept.

I didn't say reject it, I said believe there is no god ... perhaps I was wrong to call it religious pre se but the belief that there is no god is a position of faith every bit as much there is because there is no validatable evidence to support either position.

I love the Robin Ince quote: "On one hand is the theory of evolution and on the other hand is the theory of TA-DA!!!!!!" - The same thing applies here.

Er ... no it doesn't!

Religion and the god concept are products of primitive, superstitious, uneducated minds; the best an ancient society could come up with. I think even the idea of an intelligence that exists outside of matter or states of energy is so fundamentally retarded that it deserves no less than complete ridicule, i can accept that such a society would presume it but to believe it today is idiocy. It is nothing more than an assumption asserted as fact (or more distinctly an assumption that defies the summation of knowledge asserted as fact) and anybody that asserts and assumption is a fucking idiot. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge an assumption or even to hope that it is true but to declare it the truth without evidence is STUPID. Evidence obtained through the scientific method is the only reliable way to distinguish between potential assumptions and without it each assumption is equally likely, equally true, equally retarded and equally.

I don't disagree with any of that but you have misread my earlier comments.

Kyu