Selliedjoup Wrote:You seem only focused on my self-righteousoness rather than what I'm saying. You may claim to not know, but to take the intellectual high ground without a proven set of facts to prove your persepective, your conclusion can only be based on your worldview/set of beliefs, nothing more.
This is why I'm focused on your self-righteousness, because you seem to assume that others are taking a position you consider irrational simply out of the need to look down upon them. I have never, ever claimed to have the intellectual high ground, but then again, you are definitely not concerened with what people acutally believe. You are intent on believing they hold whatever postion you want them to.
Quote: If you consider that you're without 'belief' most non-atheists will call bullshit.
They can call whatever they like. It doesn't make them right.
Quote:How do you claim to not know and then quote "Those afraid of the universe as it really is..."? I hope you can see where you're contradicting yourself.
Now you are seriouisly grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to show that I hold a position I have never claimed to hold. The essence of the quote is not about knowing. It is about trying to understand how the cosmos works, regardless of whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Besides, it's a quote by Carl Sagan, a self-professed agnostic.
Now, you could do a lot for yourself and this conversation if you actually asked people what their position is instead of desperately trying to prove they hold whatever position you want them to.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
