Expelled

[Eilonnwy]

Being a learned behavior doesn't imply that one has a choice. The traditional and cultural aspects of early development are similar - vague and subtle influences we may not be aware of forming who we are. The issue of choice regarding homosexuality isn't really relevant, though. Whether or not I chose homosexuality as a sexual preference (choice in ones sexuality is an idiotic notion anyway - nobody chooses their sexuality) is no more of your business than yours is mine, now is it.

Why should you judge me and my beliefs and choices I have made regarding sexuality whatever they may be? I don't yours.

I don't suppress my sexuality, that would be impossible and deceptive. I can however, control my actions.

Slavery is an issue we can discuss in full detail later, if you like, but suffice it to say that the Bible was much more humane about slavery than the current political entities by far. Most atheists are political much the same as the faithful are religious. I don't want slaves, but acknowledge that in the past every culture that I can think of did at one time.

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It does imply choice because it ignores the fact that it is has been proven to be a genetic trait and nothing to do with social behaviour. Straight people raise gay children just as gay children raise straight children. Saying it's a learned behaviour feeds into the idiotic reasoning that Christian's give for Gays not to have civil rights and to not be able to adopt. I take huge offense to your understanding of homosexuality because it's wrong. It's not opinion. Homosexuality is genetic as your hair colour. You don't learn to have brown hair.

I don't care if you choose not to engage in sexual relationships. That's not what I'm taking issue with. What I take issue with is the reason's why you chose it because frankly it's a common misunderstanding that feeds into the prejudice against homosexuals and bisexuals. As a bisexual I currently do not engage in heterosexual or homosexual activities, but that's because there are other things in my life more important and I personally do not care for casual sex because of the risks and the fact that it just simply doesn't appeal to me. Not because I think there's anything wrong with me having sex with a man or woman, but because I would prefer to engage in it with someone I deeply care about it and I currently don't have time or need for a relationship.

I'm not judging you, I'm taking issue with your beliefs because you've put them here to be scrutinized and are based on a book written thousands of years to a moral culture that does not exist anymore. Our morality comes from society, not from the Bible. If the bible is your moral guide then you must think slaves are okay, that women are half the value of men, that it's okay to kill someone for non-belief. There is no leeway in these beliefs if your morality comes from a book (of which the authorship is highly questionable)

As for slavery, The Bible not only supports slavery, it tells you how to drive a spike through their ear to mark them. That's not humane. Also Jesus advocates slavery as well, so don't try and say the NT fixes that.

When the US fought the civil war slave owners used the bible as defense for their right to own slaves but it was the secular morality that brought slavery to an end in this country.

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We can talk about the movie - as you American persons call it - if you like, but typically I find the Creation / Evolution as well as Trinitarian discussion to be a total waste of time.

I haven't seen the film but I've heard of the name. Whats it about? I think I've heard its pro-religion, is it?
So is it like the opposite to the critically acclaimed film 'The God Who Wasn't There' or something? I'll check wikipedia sometime for a bit of info and check the website. But what do YOU think expelled is about?

I haven't seen it yet but both I've heard about it from atheist shows. It essentially attempts to promote creationism as a valid scientific theory but what it actually does is say evolution leads to atheism, which leads to nazism, which leads to the holocaust.

I've actually recently downloaded the film to see how bad it is but have not had time to watch it. I wouldn't pay money for it.