(September 6, 2009 at 12:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 10:16 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: If thoughts are decompiled during storage/transmission and recompiled during receipt then they have no real existence of their own. That the thought has to be transmitted via the decompilation/recompilation process and that that thought is (I hope) self-evidently more complicated than the thought both at the transmitter and at the receiver means that there MUST be information loss in the transcription process, information that must be filled in by the recipient and therefore the thought itself is not actually transmitted, an alternate version of the thought is developed that is original compared to the transmitter's thought.Yep I agree with that.
Fair enough.
(September 6, 2009 at 12:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 10:16 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Mind/brain is not bus, a bus does not get altered by it's passengers whereas thoughts DO alter the brain/mind infrastructure i.e. the recipient brain/mind is altered by the received (recompiled) thought.Mind does not = brain. A brain is a physical organ. the mind isn't.
The brain's purpose is to store and cogitate electro chemically. The brain apparently works by modifying synaptic pathways. This is just the brain doing what it was designed to do.
I agree with that (including mind not equalling brain) ...
(September 6, 2009 at 12:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 10:16 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: the available evidence strongly links them absolutely to brain/nerve infrastructure and you CANNOT simply claim that is not so without providing exceptionally good reason (extraordinary evidence) to show the lack of linkage given that Í and others have given very good reason why thought/mind IS inextricably linked to the mass of tissue we call the brain.
And I have always agreed that the brain and thoughts are inextricably linked. How can I say otherwise? The point in hand is whether thoughts exist physically beyond the mechanical processes we've outlined. I don't see that you've established that at all.
... and yes they are inextricably linked and there are thousands of journals devoted to mind/brain all of which tend to treated thought as a physical concept, in addition to which I have given very good reason why there is a strong linkage, but to claim thoughts exist beyond the physical is a claim supported by absolutely no (ZERO, NADA, ZIP) evidence ... it is just a fanciful claim, the same kind of claim for your god, and nothing else.
You don't see that we have reasonably established the physical nature of thought for one reason and one reason alone ...
YOU DON'T WANT TO!!!!
Kyu
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