RE: The Stage is Yours.
July 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm by fr0d0.)
If Allah does decieve (has decieved), then it is something that he does. God doesn't change, so this is part of what makes him him.
"And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42"
"Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words ‘best of schemers’ to be one of Allah’s beautiful names. Thus one would pray, ‘O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!’ Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to pray, ‘O Allah, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!’ (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)
The Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:
Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123
Allah commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them:
And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16
Next wrod: "kayd": to deceive/beguile/circumvent, means of evading/eluding
Allah is portrayed as stooping down to the level of the deceivers and liars by acting like them in his use of guile:
They are devising guile (ya keedoona kaydan), and I am devising guile (Wa akeedu kaydan). S. 86:15-16
Next word: "khida/khuda/khada" : To hide/conceal, deceive or outwit, pretend
They (think to) deceive Allah (Yukhadiaaoona) and those who believe, while they only deceive (yakhdaaoona) themselves, and perceive (it) not! S. 2:9
And if they would deceive thee (yakhdaaooka), then lo! Allah is Sufficient for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers, S. 8:6
Satan accused Allah of misleading or deceiving him:
He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray (aghwaytanee), verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. S. 7:16
[Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39
What makes this last reference interesting is that Satan promises to do to mankind what Allah did to him, namely, pervert/deceive/mislead people.
Here is a text where the Quran acknowledges that the Devil was right in that last bit, since Allah does pervert/deceive/mislead people:
And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you sincerely, if God desires to pervert you (yughwiyakum); He is your Lord, and unto Him you shall be returned.' S. 11:34
You may contend that Allah only deceives unbelievers who deserve it. The problem with this assertion is that Muslim scripture teaches that Allah doesn’t merely deceive unbelievers but also his followers.
eg: Allah deceived Muhammad into thinking that the fighting men at Badr were fewer in number than they actually were:
According to the Quran Jesus wasn’t crucified but Allah made it seem that way, thereby foisting Biblical Christianity on the masses:
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: S. 4:157
Allah lied to everyone about the crucifixion to fool them into believing the wrong thing?!
"And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42"
"Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words ‘best of schemers’ to be one of Allah’s beautiful names. Thus one would pray, ‘O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!’ Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to pray, ‘O Allah, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!’ (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)
The Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:
Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123
Allah commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them:
And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16
Next wrod: "kayd": to deceive/beguile/circumvent, means of evading/eluding
Allah is portrayed as stooping down to the level of the deceivers and liars by acting like them in his use of guile:
They are devising guile (ya keedoona kaydan), and I am devising guile (Wa akeedu kaydan). S. 86:15-16
Next word: "khida/khuda/khada" : To hide/conceal, deceive or outwit, pretend
They (think to) deceive Allah (Yukhadiaaoona) and those who believe, while they only deceive (yakhdaaoona) themselves, and perceive (it) not! S. 2:9
And if they would deceive thee (yakhdaaooka), then lo! Allah is Sufficient for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers, S. 8:6
Satan accused Allah of misleading or deceiving him:
He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray (aghwaytanee), verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. S. 7:16
[Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39
What makes this last reference interesting is that Satan promises to do to mankind what Allah did to him, namely, pervert/deceive/mislead people.
Here is a text where the Quran acknowledges that the Devil was right in that last bit, since Allah does pervert/deceive/mislead people:
And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you sincerely, if God desires to pervert you (yughwiyakum); He is your Lord, and unto Him you shall be returned.' S. 11:34
You may contend that Allah only deceives unbelievers who deserve it. The problem with this assertion is that Muslim scripture teaches that Allah doesn’t merely deceive unbelievers but also his followers.
eg: Allah deceived Muhammad into thinking that the fighting men at Badr were fewer in number than they actually were:
According to the Quran Jesus wasn’t crucified but Allah made it seem that way, thereby foisting Biblical Christianity on the masses:
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: S. 4:157
Allah lied to everyone about the crucifixion to fool them into believing the wrong thing?!
