(July 19, 2012 at 1:38 pm)Manowar Wrote: I thnik health care hurt Obama in the mid-term elections and i think it will hurt this November.
Actually, what hurt Obama is he campaigned on "Yes we can!" and governed on "Aw c'mon guys." His spineless, wimpy, prematurely compromising approach to the opposition demoralized his own base. This is reflected in the exit polls in how the voting blocks that supported him in 2008 didn't show up to the polls in 2010.
He even bitch-slapped his own base prior to 2010 by telling us to "buck up" and "stop whining". That was a great moment in leadership.
Quote:I won't vote for Obama thsi November but i did the first time around. I work out don't eat processed foods or sugars, white bread, don't smoke, drink, etc Now i have to pay for people who smoke, eat, drink themsleves to death, That is crazy.
I have some personal experience I'd like to share with you.
Three years ago, my wife did a terrible thing. She got sick. Very sick. She doesn't smoke, drink or do anything else that might have brought it on. She has asthma. And then she caught a cold. And the cold turned into pneumonia and she wound up in the ICU. I nearly lost her.
Fortunately, I'm one of the lucky Americans who has a crappy health insurance policy provided where I work. Even more lucky, she has dissimilar body parts to me (unlike my previous significant other) so we were graciously allowed by the state to have a ceremony by which I could cover her under my policy.
Thanks to both of these strokes of luck, her care was only ruinously expensive as opposed to unattainable. I had to liquidate my retirement savings along with hers to pay for most of it.
Don't tell me America has a fine health care system that doesn't need fixing. I know better. If you don't, I hope for your sake you never have to go through what I did.
Quote:I can't stand Romney but i will vote for him, really i am voting against Obama.
If you're a billionaire or even a millionaire, I understand.
If not, you're an idiot.
Quote:I have read that if somone is making $29.000 or less Obama care is free, I have also read if a salary is $10,000 Obama care will cost about $800.00 a year, Which is alot for a person making so little, I have also read no one knows the cost yet because the states will decide what a person owes. Does anyone here know?
Manowar
Yes, repealing "Obama care" will add to the debt.
Our current system is both monstrously inhumane and monstrously inefficient. Americans pay the most and get the least compared to elsewhere in the world.
Put aside the human factor stories like my wife's. Just look at the numbers. We have a system where for-profit insurance companies are supposed to provide health care for people. Guess what? Health care costs money. So these middlemen, who serve no purpose in the system at all, have a vested interest to knock sick people off the roles, discriminate according to pre-existing conditions, deny claims and make doctors spend administrative time and money jumping through hoops.
We've put foxes (for profit health insurance) in charge of the chicken coup and wonder why the foxes are eating the chickens instead of taking care of them. No wonder our current system is so fucked up.
Business school 101: you get what you reward. We are hoping that insurance companies will act against their own interests. That's why our system is broken.
As for the poor, uninsured scum you're so worried about, what happens now is they wait until they're dying, go to the emergency room and stick you and me with the bill. Better that they get preventative care and nip life threatening problems in the bud before they become costly to take care of. "An ounce of prevention..." and all that.
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