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[Kyuuketsuki]

So, God is the most important thing to me - the concept guides my entire life. What is the most important thing to you?

I repeat, what's important to me (to us) us is exactly the same as what’s important to you and others … minus the religion

God, at least, created the potential for suffering, and yes, I worship God. What is the most important thing to you?

And I repeat, what a fucking bastard! See above!

A person should love enemies and strangers because they matter - creations of God. This world will never experience peace until people can do just that. People like you will kill each other off.

I don't believe in your god, I don't subscribe to its dictates or yours. Curiously more wars have been fought in the name of religion that any other thing and no wars that I am aware of have ever been fought in the name of atheism.

How do you explain your own existence in the absence of the supernatural?

Evolution ... is this some kind of example of theist stupidity, asking and re-asking the same questions? Like it or not, if my answers were what I chose to give first time round, they are not likely to change just because you keep asking them.

(Padraic) A moral relativist said that he does not believe in completely adhering to laws and local customs. If morality is societally determined then the Nazi's were right after all. If you attacked me when I came to pick up my stereo I may just expertly shoot you - in your world.

So, someone doesn't see it quite the same way I do ... what do you want? A medal? I may be better armed than you are ... shit happens!

BANG!!!! BANG!!!! Kyu the clown collapses dead, shot from afar by Eco the idiot - who then picks up the stereo and prances on home. Hoo-rah!

Kyu is wearing a tank ... Eco the idiot is crushed!

Our existence is all the evidence we really need to know that God exists. No, you're dead in this story from multiple, lethal gun shots, and I got my stereo thanks. The Nazis taught me how to shoot and think in this example.

Existence merely poses a question, it doesn't presuppose the answer and you're a pancake unable to shoot anything after the bullets bounced off my tank. Nazism and Christianity have much in common.

You think that nothing is the most important - but you argue that you live for something.

See above.

So what is the most important thing for you?

See above.

The human race will die according to you, why do you believe in delaying the inevitable? We'll both be dead by the time there is a serious effort at exploring the galaxy I bet.

This life is all I have, life is good ... why would I want to end it. Maybe so but maybe my children will see it.

Theists are known for proselytizing. The person that I was talking to claimed that proselytizing annoyed him, yet he himself was guilty of it. He was exhibiting hypocrisy. You are just failing to comprehend.

Theists are also known for being cretins ... what do you want? A medal?

No I'm not failing to understand ... you have no rights in this forum, your views carry no inherent respect, they will be critically analysed, ripped apart and discarded just like any other theists dimwit views. As they should be.

You refuse to offer up a rational explanation for your existence. The examples you quote are other people's attempts - where is yours?

I'll repeat for the terminally dim-witted ... EVOLUTION!

What would you give the most for, pursue the longest...etc? (e.g. Would you let your wife eat you if she was hungry - only you and the children were available for food?)

It's not a scenario I am interested in considering ... live with it.

Yes, it does leave much in the way of choice. You can choose to seek/follow God or you can choose to ignore God and live for yourself.

Under threat of eternal torment yeah so I repeat ... not much choice if your god was real. Fortunately there is no validatable evidence to support your sad fairy tale belief system.

This isn't a valid response. God changes everything in my life (i.e. you could never live like me without believing in God).

It is an entirely valid response, that you don't like it means sod all to me. I am a good, moral, kind, caring, considerate & loving person and I am that WITHOUT your god or any other.

Would you fight to the death trying to stop the holocaust? Why?

There are things I would fight to the death for (primarily family and friends), I do not know if the holocaust is one of them.

If you think they are wrong, and they think you are wrong - who is really right?

No idea ... I'm a moral relativist so, as far as I'm concerned, they would likely be wrong based on my conscience weighed against my society's morality. Nevertheless, being able to entertain an idea without believing it, I am able to step outside my own and my society's limiting values ... it's called intelligence, you should try it sometime!

Imagine if I killed you (in your world), and the judge asked me if I thought I was right for doing it. Of course I would say yes, but should the judge take my word for it? And if he disagreed, what right does he have to say that I am truly wrong, despite what I think. What makes any person's (or group's) opinion more valid than another person's (or group's) - in your world?

The law, based on a given society's morality (rights-based), enforced by arms ... there is no objective right or wrong in a moral sense.

It's sarcasm, because you said you wouldn't think critically (in the significant cases of highest disagreement - theists).

Sarcasm works much better if you have something you can be sarcastic about and being a theist advancing fairly stupid views you don't have a whole lot.

God believed what He was doing was good, so it was. Your opinion on the matter is really irrelevant, since you couldn't stop Him. Those who are guilty do not have a special right to life according to God - or to the U.S. justice system.

Well bully for it ... if real it would still be a tyrannical, sexist, genocidal, murdering fuck and you're right I couldn't stop it because it DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST!

I couldn't care less what your god thinks ... it doesn't exist.

I couldn't care less what your law says either ... I'm British and, although there are people from all over the globe, so is this forum!

So you took my advice on not critically thinking after all.

No ... and as to a theist thinking critically ...

So individuals aren't responsible for deciding what to believe? What's this? Is it your mommy and daddy that do that for you or what?

I see the stupid brigade are out in force again!

Morality is an ethical system, ethics are social, social means between individuals therefore it stands to reason that an individual cannot have morality; you need 2 or more people to have a moral system. What individuals have is a conscience and their actions are weighed up against a given society's morality.

Certainly because you have no reason to disagree with Hitler.

I have every reason to disagree with Hitler's actions.

So you are not interested in a discussion - why are you involved now?

This isn't discussion ... it's me smacking a theist down.

You lock God out by denying His existence.

And I repeat, only a fool would say we lock out a god out that we don’t believe in.

You haven't offered up a viable explanation.

Sigh! And I repeat ... EVOLUTION!

That doesn't explain why you exist because evolution is dependent upon the universe, and you have not explained why the universe exists. This explanation is non-viable.

Scientists are working on it ... I'm sure they will get back to us when they have an answer that is slightly better than a magic man said POOF and there is was ... DUH!!!!

Kyu