(August 2, 2012 at 9:10 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Why wouldn't an apologist ever need to talk about the canonical Gospels? That's a tactic I've never heard of.
Apologists are not limited to apologetics concerning the gospel accounts. for instance His first book on apologetics focous on how christians were view and persecuted, Jesus as the 'Logos' which in short was a viable non treasonous philosphy, Then He focoused and defended earily church practices. All well with in the realm of apologetics but nothing to directly call for evangelistic review of the whole gospel from beginning to end.Justins second apologetic starts with the identification of a satan controled world, an apologetic defense of the accusations levied against practing christians (cannibalism, sexual immorality, pleasure seekers who did not fear death.) and finishes with an appeal to spread this message so people would not fear Christians. (again no need to mention the gospel when it is not being discussed.)
From my article, Drich:
Quote:If Justin actually had the canonical gospels before him when writing his texts, he could only be considered sloppy in his citations, which is the accusation made to explain why his "Memoirs" differs so much from the gospels. The reality is that the Church father is surprisingly consistent and conscientious in his quotation elsewhere. For example, as I state in SOG, Martyr quotes from the Old Testament 314 instances, 197 of which he names the particular book or author, equaling an impressive two-thirds of the total amount. Several of the other 117 instances may not have needed citation, "considering the nature of the passage." Despite his remarkably fastidious record, when Justin is supposedly quoting the New Testament, he mentions none of the four gospels.Not true He is sited to having quoted 3 of the four gospels.
Quote: Instead, he distinctly states that the quotes are from the "Memoirs." Since he is careful in his quotation of the Old Testament, it is reasonable to assume that he is accurately citing the "Memoirs" and that such a book is not the same as any of the texts found in the New Testament.what would be known as Canocial gospels 200 years after his time were indeed literal 'Memoirs' durning his life time. If you look at what was quoted rather than tring to simply classify or identify the title he refered to you will see quotations from what would be known as Matthew, Luke and Mark in his works.
Quote: There could be no reason why Martyr would not cite the gospel books by name, unless he was not using them.Or they have yet to be 'named.' or identified as what we know them as now.
Quote:Since he never mentions the four gospels, it is logical to assert that he had never heard of them.1/2 truth
Quote:Thus, the Memoirs text is not the same as the canonical gospels, and the mention of and quotation from this book does not serve as evidence of the existence of the gospels.This is a fools arguement. simply Look at the citation in question.
Quote:And this is why your source is wishful at most.
Your projecting again. There are on line copies of his works avaiable. i have done my due dillegence it is time that you did the same. you have been caught 4 times now relying on the failed thoughts of other 1/2 hearted mens efforts.
Rather than taking someone elses predigested commentary, and then from their mistakes try and develop you own spin. why not take actual reference material and begin there? the following is a link to a Catholic encyclpedia artical on martyr and his body of works with links and references to the actual works in question. Prove me wrong and do your own work quote from Martyr himself and not some fool who has it in for God because God would let him have the boy or girl of his choosing..
Your guy has failed on so many levels when compared to the actual legitmate works of martyr I feel foolish mentioning his name. This guy probably took the 1/2 heart works of another one of this peers saw an oppertunity to exploit a 1/2 truth and built what he thought to be an air tight arguement. When in truth the only way this arguement appears to be air tight is when you do not know how to or care to access the actual works being questioned here.
Do your OWN Research! Stop letting others tell you what to think! http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08580c.htm
