(October 31, 2008 at 1:58 pm)Daystar Wrote:(October 31, 2008 at 12:37 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: "Learned behavior?" Ask any homosexual or bisexual whose mind is not clouded with the bible. It is not a learned behaviour, it is who you are. Intrinsic. Saying it is a learned behaviour once again implies that choice that Christian's insist we have, and you seem to recognize that fact but at the same time don't. The fact that you would try to suppress an aspect of yourself because a book told you too, well I find it outrageous.
If you follow the Bible as a guide then do you have slaves? Because the Bible not only encourages slaves but gives you all the guidelines you need to have slaves.
Being a learned behavior doesn't imply that one has a choice. The traditional and cultural aspects of early development are similar - vague and subtle influences we may not be aware of forming who we are. The issue of choice regarding homosexuality isn't really relevant, though. Whether or not I chose homosexuality as a sexual preference (choice in ones sexuality is an idiotic notion anyway - nobody chooses their sexuality) is no more of your business than yours is mine, now is it.
Why should you judge me and my beliefs and choices I have made regarding sexuality whatever they may be? I don't yours.
I don't suppress my sexuality, that would be impossible and deceptive. I can however, control my actions.
Slavery is an issue we can discuss in full detail later, if you like, but suffice it to say that the Bible was much more humane about slavery than the current political entities by far. Most atheists are political much the same as the faithful are religious. I don't want slaves, but acknowledge that in the past every culture that I can think of did at one time.
(October 31, 2008 at 12:55 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I agree with Eilonnwy. You are simply in denial about your homosexuality and think that by claiming you "don't practice" you are somehow protected because a silly old book says you are in the wrong.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion even though it is wrong. The Law of Moses was the laws of an ancient nation that - after Jesus - no longer applies to anyone. Homosexuality was one of the few portions of that law that were continued to the Christian. They apply only to Christians. You can't be a practicing homosexual and Christian. You have to choose between the two. Who are you to question this?
(October 31, 2008 at 12:55 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Might I inquire why the title of the thread is "Expelled"? Are you going to talk about the movie or something?
I just saw the movie and it inspired me to come here after having earlier abandoned the idea of this type of discussion.
We can talk about the movie - as you American persons call it - if you like, but typically I find the Creation / Evolution as well as Trinitarian discussion to be a total waste of time.
The Laws of Moses should be used as a guideline on how one should live.
The bible contains essential spiritual truths on how you may be saved.