Prayer?

[Skepsis]

Hell is seperation from God on an eternal scale. the Pit, The void, The Darkkness where their is weeping and gnashing of teeth, The Grave all describe Hell.

Ok.

The fact that we are free from His Expressed Will is apart of His plan.

We aren't free to choose if it is all in a plan from the beginning of time. This is determinism with a God label slapped on it.

you usage of the Word 'justice' describes a 'fairness' that is based in popular morality. (it's what you think fair to be)

Is this command theory attached to justice instead of morality? Justice is a concept that relies on a judge (a person, etc) to determine fair retribution. What can never be fair is a finite crime punished with an infinite sentence. Whether or not you want to define "justice" into oblivion is none of my concern.

A just God would be incapable of creating a place of infinite suffering for finite crimes.

Wait till you get to Hell there's a place with limitless suffering. there are limits in this life our soceities ensure that.

I'll say it again: A just God couldn't punish someone for a finite crime with infinite punishment. Nothing you can do in 5 years, 10 years, a million years can earn you infinite punishment. You know how big 1 trillion is to infinity? It isn't even a fraction, not even a slice of the pie. You are no closer to finishing your sentence than a trillion years before that.
This is the definition of injustice.

Un belief is not a crime it is a choice. People Choose to be with God or seperated from Him.

If I don't believe in God and am later sent to hell for it, I am being punished. I don't see an alternative.
On choice, I thought you said it was all in his plan? If it is his plan that I choose something and not another thing, then I never had a choice to begin with.

Hence: Redemption to all those who Seek it.
As you have pointed out not all will seek redemption.

This is blatant injustice. Clear and obvious malice for those with a brain in their heads.

How so? For the 'plan' was to provide choice.

There is no choice in your system, planned or otherwise. If choice was planned and every decision was also planned, then choice is only an illusion.

Did you choose to remain outside of the redemption offered or not?

According to you, no I didn't. I am simply following his master plan.

You had no choice on whether or not you will sin, but you do get to choose whether or not you will live in your sins.

Special pleading. I can't choose anything else besides whether or not I need to be redeemed for sins that I was forced to commit by a plan that the very one requiring redemption set out for me? How do you not read the things you are typing and see them for what they are? Is this the true power of indoctrination?

Both, God's Plan is that you have a Choice.
Oh and you might want to read up on the fallacy you have misidentified.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

"Essentially, this (special pleading) involves someone attempting to cite something as an exemption to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exemption."
*Parenthesis are mine

You have failed to justify why you can choose redemption but not anything else. So no, I didn't misuse the term "special pleading". Have you looked at any of the pages on logical fallacies that you post here, or are you just trying to appear intelligent?

No. I simply put it out there that if their was a God, that I have my eyes and ears opened. (I didn't just appeal to the God of the bible. i put it out there and God responded as His promises indicate He would.)

Thanks for clearing that up.

I'll share with you an anecdote, if that is ok. It has to do with prayer, so don't rage too hard.
When I was 5 years younger at the age of 13, I believed in God. I read the Bible, albeit minimally. I didn't attend church, but justified it with the "God is in my heart, so I won't bother getting dressed up for a social event" line. I began to doubt towards my 14th birthday. Remember, I already believed in God. I spent days, even weeks praying that he might enlighten me to his presence, to show me he existed. I begged and pleaded that he would just flip a switch in my head that allowed me to see I was being a fool for doubting things that I had believed so willingly all my life before.
Nothing happened. No enlightenment, no switch flipped. I eventually turned to all Gods, hoping that one would answer me with something. I am not a stupid person, so if I asked God to show me a sign I knew what I should expect from him, and it wasn't my school project on the computer deleting itself (later found it, deleted by... me), it wasn't finding a dollar I had used as a bookmark in years passed. I never did get an answer in any form ever. Eventually they led me to become more comfortable with my skepticism and my skepticism led me to my atheism.
So, why didn't my desperate appeal to any God to make his presence known fail? I already believed, I was hardly testing God. I just wanted him to confirm my belief. Why didn't he comfort me and show me my path was correct?
Anyway, I don't disbelieve today because God didn't answer my plead to enlighten me, but more because there is no evidence at all for his existence, so don't think that I gave up my belief for a failed prayer.

Can you give examples of "this and that"

"This": The ability for one to choose in a planned universe something not according to the plan.
"That": Used for rhetorical effect as a device illustrative of my own assumption that you would, in the future, contradict yourself again.

I have worked in this field for a very long time and know how people in and out of the faith serve in it as well, and how they generally carry their works.

I never said you were wrong, I certainly don't send money oversees. But I do offer charity work for war vets and those that benefit the community. I am 18 and my time was and will be very valuable. I don't currently have money to give to anyone, just time. And I do offer that in places that I can. Don't assume that I am self-absorbed, because I am not.
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I have given everything on many occasions, and it has been given back to me 10x over. I have given when I had nothing to give. If I see a need that I can fill, I fill it.

You are sitting here on a computer when you could be doing any number of things to help others. Guaranteed.
I am not saying you're selfish for not doing this; in fact, I commend you, as you are far more selfless than I if what you say is true. Still, don't act like you have precedence over me when we are both currently sitting at a computer, looking at a screen.

I see a need here for the Spiritually starving. One that far exceeds the needs of the physical starvation that boy endured.

The power of imagination takes your attention from actually helping those in need? I guarantee you that most everyone here is not spiritually starved as you suggest. We get along just fine without your God, and because you will never be able to prove that he exists in a way that satisfies anyone other than the gullible, I won't be the first to tell you that you are wasting your time. I assure you, time spent consoling the poor and feeding the hungry is much better spent than the spiritual counseling you provide here. Still, I enjoy the banter and wouldn't want to see you go. Keep that in mind.

For there are many willing to give time and money to help people like that. (for that is a job anyone can do) But, here Their are very few who are willing and able to spend time in places like this and put fourth the effort to feed the Spiritually Hungery.

Anyone can spend time on this site. I found it rather accessible myself, with the fact that it is one of the first two Google results for "atheist forums". If you feel you are capable of "feeding the Spiritually Hungry" then I assume you believe you can prove God? Where is the thread that you took care of this little tidbit, then?

It is God's plan to give you oppertunity to fill the needs you see.

I'll go ahead and fill you in on what you made clear to me. If it happens in this world, it happens because God willed it so.
This
If it is bad and it happened then you must not understand God's justice
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he planned it so we would have the ability to help others
are nothing more than dodges and weaves to avoid the criticisms offered. You are a better person than your negligent God, and I feel like you know it. After all, I don't see anyone bombarded with the sheer amount of objections that you trudge through on the daily and remain solid in your position. Surely the dodges get harder and harder, don't they?

I did do this very thing in my "God does not love you..." thread.

Figures.

See this is what makes me question your basic comperhension skills. For i must have said the "Plan thing" was to give you choice 1/2 a dozen times or more from the beginning..

And I feel like I have made it quite clear an equal or greater number of times that planned choice isn't choice it all.
Planned choice = programming. Do robots have the ability to make a choice? I'm talking calculators, not hypothesized, hyper-advanced models. Does my cellular phone choose to run my emails through to my computer when I click the button? Does a robot built to climb stairs choose to climb them when he is turned on?
No.
And so it follows clearly that a planned world with "choice" is a world void of any true choice at all.

then simply ask them to provide book Chapter and verse for their assertion.

What if I told you they did?
What if I told you they didn't, but said it was implied? Or, what if they said it was implied and justified it was another chapter and verse tag?
Why does it matter? This is anecdotal. It illustrates that, no matter who you talk to, they will believe they are right and will dogmatically resume their condition regardless of the differing views that others find valid.
In other words, you bible means a millions things and one thing at the same time.

Again Book Chapter and Verse.

I'm simply relaying you what I have been told. I'm taking what you say here as gospel for the sake of debunking your claims, so what good would it do to tell you what they said if I was simply going to accept it for arguments sake? Why would I argue to defend it if I did present it? I don't care either way.