RE: The Need to Breed
August 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm by Cinjin.)
(August 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Wasn't just a drought, we hand our hands in that.
"The rain follows the plow" - or so farmers had been told. Food shortages, btw, misleading. What they have is a money shortage. Not always in the way we might imagine, alot of times people would be willing to pay a premium, but it isn't worth shipping them the food regardless (compared to dumping it to a preferred customer with streamlined logistics for pennies on the lb by the metric ton).
It is true that we (filthy American bankers/politicians) had a major hand in the depression, but we don't control droughts. If we hadn't plowed all the grass off the prairies to plant wheat, that would've saved us from the dust bowl, but the drought was coming no matter what. My point is not that overpopulation directly causes drought (global warming does that), I was simply using the imagery to compare the 30's Dust Bowl to the droughts of the future which are going to be far more dire.
On an addition point though: you mentioned the misleading food shortages.
If the powers that be weren't willing to share food in the 30s simply to make a buck, imagine how unwilling the world will be to share food when there's 14 billion of us and it's a matter of life and death.
(August 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Also we only have a few years to do something about it. Higher temperatures will affect sea levels, food production and with an over populated planet we face inevitable war and death.
If that natural storage of methane gas is released, we're finished. It won't matter what we do by then.
You know my solution? Just forget about it, there's nothing you can do about it. Let people think nothing's wrong, they'll see the real world soon enough. Just live your life and enjoy the show.
Actually, there is one solution, but it's extremely drastic. A worldwide pandemic meant to wipe out 95% of the world's population would immediately stop the human race from pumping more shit into our atmosphere. At least then, both the planet and the human race would have a chance.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to die any more than anyone else, but is it morally wrong to kill billions of people, if in the end it saves not only our species but also our planet? Imagine one month from now, there wasn't a boat on the ocean, a plane in the sky, a factory, or even a ceiling fan working. Our planet would slowly but surely begin to heal without billions of people fucking it up and making excuses.
I'm just saying, a government, or some radical group could justify such an act if they felt that the alternative meant certain death for 100% of us.
(August 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(August 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm)Cinjin Wrote: This to me sounds a bit absurd. Putting faith in technology that does not exist is more than just "optimistic" especially considering that prosperity will not be increasing when nations are killing other nations just to feed the masses. Who's going to invent this technology? How much will it cost to own and operate it? Will all nations be able to afford such technology? I mean it's a ridiculous notion at this point. Meanwhile, while we're fighting to eat, no one's doing anything about the CO2 that's being released from the sea floors because of the global warming that's gone unchecked due to the amount of energy needed to pull more resources from our dying planet.
Not as absurd as it might seem, as I do not feel unjustified confidence that the vague idea I mentioned will work. I consider it probably the only workable possibility. All other ideas are merely limiting the effect, after all (which is, of course, no less important).
I think that any of this technology will be invented for other reasons and find wider applications, as often happens. We need solar energy, as an example, in the worst way, and ubiquitous, cheap photovoltaics could potentially solve a great deal of the world's energy needs, but you can't market it on the basis of saving the world. You have to emphasize its practical benefits. I do not look to technology as our certain savior, just our best chance. I just don't see any other plausible means.
Also, if it makes a difference, I do not plan to have kids.
I do truly hope that these fanciful inventions of science fiction are someday possible too. It would be awesome! But I'm not about to put any kind of hope or optimism into pipe dreams. Our scientists and inventors are too busy building worthless gadgets and making piles of money off of retarded phone apps to get too terribly involved with feeding Africa, let alone the rest of the world.
I believe there is only one answer. Thin the herd. Humans fight nature when it comes to thinning the herd and we are just too damn big. We have to stop breeding.
(by the way, Kudos to you for not having more mouths to feed, even if over-population isn't your reasoning.)