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Poll: Regarding Over-Population
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Moderate to radical worldwide population controls are imperative at this point..
26.19%
11 26.19%
Population controls are a violation of human rights.
16.67%
7 16.67%
I think better education about over population is all we need.
40.48%
17 40.48%
Other ... see my post.
16.67%
7 16.67%
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The Need to Breed
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RE: The Need to Breed



Well, ignoring this spat and assuming problematic population growth, an interesting puzzle occurred to me.

It's in response to Ryantology's musing about the point of it all. A common view from the position of biological evolution is that there is no point; life is a statistical phenomenon. More, better, faster, is blind to truth and meaning. Evolution cares about what works, not what's right, or what's important. (I don't agree with this estimate, but it's a useful starting point.) As someone else mentioned, life aims to live longest and fullest. The more a specimen can sustain itself, the more likely it's genes will outcompete its less stalwart rivals in being represented in the gene pool. But this raises a quandary. (And yes, I'm blurring some lines between viewing evolution at the species level and at the individual level, which isn't technically valid, but bear with me.) By definition, those who voluntarily or otherwise limit their reproduction are deliberately reducing that sustainability. If we look at evolution as an individual phenomenon (bad, bad, bad), then those who do not limit themselves reproductively, have a better chance of their traits — mayhaps including the traits which made them less willing to limit their reproduction — being well represented in the next generation of the gene pool than those whose traits lead them to limit themselves reproductively (or to be limited by others). It would seem, at this level, and ignoring the technical faults, that traits that lead to reproductive manageability are self-limiting, and not genetically robust. (Anyway, I'll leave it to Chuck or some science whiz to demolish my pretensions).

I think, ultimately, what this world needs is a predator that is a match for man. It's not customary to think in these terms, but a virus, bacteria, self-destructive set of memes, famine or other deadly shortage would probably be the most expeditious. If the phenotype of the psychopath is largely genetically caused, perhaps a race of psychopaths. There's also a few possibilities that are hard to predict. We may have sufficient knowledge of genes or brains within the relevant window to redesign humanity to rectify the problem. Unlikely that such would be expeditiously implemented, but perhaps if the re-engineered human also doubled as a predator, it might work.


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The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 12, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 13, 2012 at 12:48 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 13, 2012 at 1:12 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 1:56 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 2:40 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 13, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ryantology - August 13, 2012 at 4:01 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ryantology - August 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 13, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cato - August 14, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ryantology - August 14, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 14, 2012 at 4:39 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 13, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 11:58 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 12:36 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:19 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 1:36 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:57 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Jackalope - August 14, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 14, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 2:06 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 2:18 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 2:36 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 3:52 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Mister Agenda - August 15, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Mister Agenda - August 15, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 16, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 16, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 18, 2012 at 1:11 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 18, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 2:46 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:50 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 4:16 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by pgrimes15 - August 14, 2012 at 6:27 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Tiberius - August 14, 2012 at 7:26 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by pgrimes15 - August 14, 2012 at 9:17 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Tiberius - August 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 8:40 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 9:35 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 9:54 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by jackman - August 14, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Violet - August 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ben Davis - August 14, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Violet - August 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Violet - August 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Tiberius - August 15, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by downbeatplumb - August 15, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 9:47 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 14, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 14, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:51 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 10:54 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 11:22 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 11:29 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 15, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Reforged - August 14, 2012 at 11:43 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 15, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 12:01 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 15, 2012 at 12:07 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Violet - August 15, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 15, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 12:54 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 15, 2012 at 12:57 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 1:08 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 15, 2012 at 9:10 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by MountOlympus - August 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 15, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Autumnlicious - August 15, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 15, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by MountOlympus - August 15, 2012 at 2:00 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 15, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 11:58 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 12:32 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Mister Agenda - August 16, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Mister Agenda - August 16, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Reforged - August 17, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 18, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 18, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 19, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 1:31 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 1:56 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Jackalope - August 19, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Jackalope - August 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 12:40 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 20, 2012 at 2:00 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 20, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 2:15 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 2:03 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 2:50 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 28, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 29, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by kılıç_mehmet - August 29, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 29, 2012 at 9:16 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 30, 2012 at 1:08 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2012 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by ib.me.ub - August 30, 2012 at 2:43 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - September 5, 2012 at 7:43 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by frankiej - September 5, 2012 at 7:54 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - September 5, 2012 at 8:01 am



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