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Poll: Regarding Over-Population
This poll is closed.
Moderate to radical worldwide population controls are imperative at this point..
26.19%
11 26.19%
Population controls are a violation of human rights.
16.67%
7 16.67%
I think better education about over population is all we need.
40.48%
17 40.48%
Other ... see my post.
16.67%
7 16.67%
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The Need to Breed
RE: The Need to Breed
(August 14, 2012 at 11:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(August 14, 2012 at 11:26 pm)apophenia Wrote: The "bolded bit" is not knowably impossible at this time.
Whats not "knowably impossible" about creating resources out of thin air?

First, as a scientific matter, it's not known to be impossible to create resources out of thin air. Period. Moreover, you're engaged in a distinctly uncharitable reading. There is enough energy in a small mountain to solve the world's energy needs for the forseeable future. However that's not a usable resource because we have no way of efficiently accessing that energy. The world's oceans contain enough water to supply our fresh water needs for a long, long time. All we need is to purify it. A decade or so back a device for simply and inexpensively purifying sea water was invented. As a result, the available supply of fresh water to the third world is much greater. Even if resources out of thin air were knowably impossible, it's an asinine reading to assert that this is what was meant, when it's the usable resources that are the problem and their limits, not the quantity of matter and energy in the universe. Increasing the amount of available and usable resources is an equally valid reading. (And yes, I checked the dictionary.) And I suppose when we start importing energy from neighboring unoccupied branes, we're simply using those branes more efficiently than we did before. Have I used the word histrionic yet?

(August 14, 2012 at 11:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
Quote: You may only be able to see things in black and white, but that's a limitation you have, and is not a realistic appraisal. You asserted that no alternative solutions were offered. I showed alternatives. Your response is to deny any real and important differences between these approaches. And no matter what solution is offered, since you apparently aren't capable of discriminating between vastly different methods, all methods will be equal to you. (Really, re-engineering the genome is the same as voluntary reproductive limits? Are you high?)

No, I'm not, but apparently you're having trouble reading, I made no comparison between re-engineering the genome and voluntary limits. If I hit you in the head with a bat or a brick there would be marked differences, not that they would matter to you, and so it goes with your more sinister offerings.

You most certainly did when you claimed and implied that only one solution had been offered. That's implicitly claiming the two are equivalent. As follows:

(August 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(August 14, 2012 at 6:49 pm)apophenia Wrote: This seems profoundly confusing to me. How do we find solutions without trying to find solutions, through discussion, or through real world trials?

You keep using the plural.......have we been reading the same thread?


Let's see, misrepresenting the science, uncharitable reading, lying about what you wrote... What's next?


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The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 12, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 13, 2012 at 12:48 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 13, 2012 at 1:12 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 1:56 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 2:40 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 13, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ryantology - August 13, 2012 at 4:01 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ryantology - August 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 13, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cato - August 14, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ryantology - August 14, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 14, 2012 at 4:39 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by padraic - August 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 13, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 11:58 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 12:36 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 1:13 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 1:57 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Jackalope - August 14, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Rayaan - August 14, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 2:06 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 2:36 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 3:52 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Mister Agenda - August 15, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Mister Agenda - August 15, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 16, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - August 16, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 18, 2012 at 1:11 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 18, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 2:46 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:50 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 14, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 4:16 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Tiberius - August 14, 2012 at 7:26 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by pgrimes15 - August 14, 2012 at 9:17 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 8:40 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 9:54 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by jackman - August 14, 2012 at 10:47 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Ben Davis - August 14, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 14, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Violet - August 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Violet - August 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:51 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 10:54 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 14, 2012 at 11:08 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Reforged - August 14, 2012 at 11:43 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Epimethean - August 15, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 12:54 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 15, 2012 at 12:57 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 15, 2012 at 1:15 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 11:58 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 12:32 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Reforged - August 17, 2012 at 11:50 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Shell B - August 19, 2012 at 4:39 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 12:53 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by cratehorus - August 20, 2012 at 2:00 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 2:15 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 20, 2012 at 2:50 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 28, 2012 at 9:41 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by kılıç_mehmet - August 29, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Cinjin - August 29, 2012 at 9:16 am
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RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2012 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2012 at 6:34 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - September 5, 2012 at 7:43 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by frankiej - September 5, 2012 at 7:54 am
RE: The Need to Breed - by Ace Otana - September 5, 2012 at 8:01 am



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