Thread on Asatru

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Has nothing to do with their ultimate origins.

Their ultimate origin only serves academic purposes.

LOL, ethnocentrism by use of a word in a specific langauge. Is that like ":not facism: because we use a different word for it"?

I believe it's enough to denote that it's specific to a certain people.

Don't forget their other half [Vanir], those strange fertility gods that don't seem to fit with the warrior Aesir and find analogs in cultures far afield.

Regardless of whatever analogs they find in whatever cultures, they are known to be a part of a pantheon worshipped by the ancient germans.
As I said, "ultimate origins" serve academic purposes.

Don't forget our understood difficulties in determining what is "germanic pagan" and what is later (mostly christian) revision

Well, if there is the question of genuinity of a certain part of the practices that were described in detail, I'm sure the people who are responsible of the reconstruction movement would have pondered on it.
Well, it's hard to revive a dead religion without bumping into dead ends.

What we have now, presented to us as the pagan religion of [insert european region here] is a huge mishmash of shit, carelessly hobbled together, mostly by monks (of yet another religion, adding their own shit to the narrative) centuries after the fact, and not in any way indicative of some specific ethnicity, or ethnic bias in origin.

It still doesn't matter, friend. It was attributed to a certain people.
That's why recon movements aim to spread it within those people, for it comes from those people.
Who knows, monks may have included celtic practices into germanic ones, or germanic ones into celtic ones, but this still doesn't change that these represented the specific ethno-cultural differences that existed before the rise of christianity.

not all of which are of "Germanic" origin

Well, how far could it ever go? Truth is, they might not all be genuine germanic beliefs, but they ought to have an amount of genuinity in themselves to be called recon movements.

none of which are of "Germanic" origin...as "germanic" peoples didn't spring forth from the ashes and oaks of northern fucking Europe (despite their claims to the contrary).

What?
You really think that this is a geographical thing? Germanic peoples are known to be there before the arrival of the huns. They were there, and they were well documented by the romans, by tribe names, customs and everything there is.
I don't know why you place so much value of geography. The Germanic peoples in parts of Eastern Europe, known as the Goths, who have migrated during the dark ages were known to share very similar customs with those of the Norse and Germanic tribes that wer present in Germania before the arrival of the Huns.
It really doesn't matter whether they were always in northern Europe or not, they still had a specific, genuine germanic culture, associated with the germanic peoples. You can see these from weapons, pottery, cuisine ways of life, dress etc. etc. I'm sure that their religious practices showed differences from the people around them.

They can. It's no different than worshiping any other deity. I don't see why you think this is so important, or why you think there's a problem......

Well,theoretically, they can worship even a cup of water if they want to...But what sense would that make? Even in religion, there is a shred of sense.