RE: The bible
August 21, 2012 at 7:30 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2012 at 7:50 pm by Cyberman.)
(August 18, 2012 at 10:27 pm)ThereisaGod Wrote: I would like to ask the question why is the Bible not historically correct? Can someone in some detail tell me why it cannot be correct or where it is said to be contradictory and also where it has mistakes?
thank you.
Well we could start from Chapter One, page one, which attempts to provide a passable Bronze-age understanding of the origin of everything but which we now know - not imagine, not pretend, but know - to be flat-out factually wrong. There is no water in the sky requiring a solid dome to separate it from the Earth, which itself was not formed before the Sun and Moon (which incidentally is not a light as the Sun is). Both of those were formed after most of the rest of the stars of the Universe (which are not little lamps hanging on the dome of the sky for signs and seasons but real, physical places, as real as the room you are reading this in, and which themselves do not provide light for the Earth). Indeed, if you are a day=age creationist follower, any plants (relying on photosynthesis) and insects (relying on photosynthesis-reliant plants) that we are told were around at this point would not have survived in the time before the Sun was made.
There was never a time when there was one human moping around a garden before "an helpmeet" was built from part of his body, either his rib or his baculum (penis-bone) depending on which train of thought to which you attach your little red wagon. And apart from certain novelty children's entertainers, snakes have never talked in a form understandable to humans, and indeed would regard crawling on their bellies as rather a comfortable and efficient method of locomotion than a punishment.
See, the problem essentially isn't one of historical accuracy or even reliability. The mythology does have truthful things in it, just as it has factually wrong things in it, and embarrassingly so. The problem is one of leaping automatically to its defense whenever points like these are raised. I just spent a week comforting and supporting an old friend who has ended a longterm relationship with an emotionally abusive partner - which is why I've been offline for so long and expect to be so on and off for the forseeable future. She can see this guy now for the piece of shit he is and can see for the first time what she wants in her life and how to get it. However, if I tried to tell her all this that she now knows back then when it was happening, and I did indeed try as did many others, the only result would have been to push her further into the relationship out of pure defense; the scales hadn't yet fallen from her eyes and she would have rejected all the advice that I and others gave her, which is exactly what happened.
This is a perfect example of what I mean:
(August 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: Please show Biblical proof of your statements, book, chapter and verses.
[Cato: quotes book, chapter and verse]
(August 21, 2012 at 4:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Atheist claim they are so smart, yet you for one buy into such gullible nonsense. Tell me where has your reasoning gone, or have you ever had the ability to reason for yourself. IMO you have not, you listen to such trite explanations of scripture without ever taking the time to study scripture, you leave me and others wondering if a logical discussion is possible with you.
All of which translates as: "I cannot defend the provided information which I myself asked for, yet the bible has to be defended at all costs and against all reason. So the only way I can respond with the least amount of egg on my face is to dismiss the requested evidence and the person supplying it as having a biased, thus unreliable, agenda and therefore I can suggest a victory by default of avoiding the battle." It's the very definition of an ad hominem attack: shoot the messenger, ignore the message. Thereisagod, there may indeed be a god for you if that is what is comfortable for you to believe but please for your sake as well as ours don't follow in G-C's footsteps. They will only lead you deeper into the woods.
Oh, and G-C? Regarding "buying into gullible nonsense": had any meaningful conversations with any serpents and donkeys lately?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'