RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 24, 2012 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2012 at 11:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
From the point of omniscience or precognition all potential outcomes are already actualized, aren't they? I think I've found our disconnect. You cannot separate yourself from your own perception of time and choice in considering what time and choice might be when invoking omniscience or precognition. How this wall between "all knowledge" and knowledge of the future has been erected in your mind is, btw, beyond me. Nevertheless, has it dawned on you that you are essentially whittling down the super-powers of a creature who's only claim to authority is that it has super-powers? That's most likely going to be a problem for you at some point as well.
Your notion of an "actual outcome" is tied inextricably to what must be a flawed perception of time if any variant of this god existed.
In any case, in attemptig to redefine what precognition or omniscience means you've managed to do jack shit with regards to the illusion of choice. If this "omniscient" but not "precognitive" creature can see all possible outcomes, including the one which will be "actualized" you are still bound by that actualized outcome. IOW, you have claimed precognition under omniscience while arguing that they are not the same. It is true, btw, that omniscience and precognition are not the same, but not for the reasons you've offered. They are not the same for the blisteringly obvious reason that omniscience requires knowledge of the future -and a whole host of other shit as well-. Precognition, however, is a requirement of omniscience....unless you want to argue for "all knowledge" except "this knowledge".
Your notion of an "actual outcome" is tied inextricably to what must be a flawed perception of time if any variant of this god existed.
In any case, in attemptig to redefine what precognition or omniscience means you've managed to do jack shit with regards to the illusion of choice. If this "omniscient" but not "precognitive" creature can see all possible outcomes, including the one which will be "actualized" you are still bound by that actualized outcome. IOW, you have claimed precognition under omniscience while arguing that they are not the same. It is true, btw, that omniscience and precognition are not the same, but not for the reasons you've offered. They are not the same for the blisteringly obvious reason that omniscience requires knowledge of the future -and a whole host of other shit as well-. Precognition, however, is a requirement of omniscience....unless you want to argue for "all knowledge" except "this knowledge".
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