Christians

[theVOID]

Ace, a rock doesn't need a purpose of its own because it doesn't have to act. Plants and animals can't conceive of a purpose. Humans can, of course, and they should. You know that a purpose is useful. It's not crazy to have a purpose in life - its conducive to productivity/living, to everything good. Some people live for the "American dream", others for this or that or the other - some people flow with the social winds. I think it's irresponsible to not consider your purpose the top consideration in life.

EvF and theVOID, how can anyone deny that this universe needs an explanation? It is a great mystery to everyone here is it not?

I never said that, i'm a big fan of science for the reason that it IS getting us answers and moving us forward as a species as opposed to your religion that is doing fuck all.

What could be the cause of the universe? Something that resembles life or something that resembles rocks? Something rational or something arational? Good or evil or what? Surely atheists speculate on these topics. Some of these comments make it sound like that's off limits for you people. This is the most basic question we can all ask, and much hinges on how we answer (or don't).

Of course we speculate on these topics, the real thoughts about these topics are the ones that make people realize that your stupid god concept doesn't explain anything. I love cosmology, astrophysics, quantum mechanics, evolutionary biology, abiogenisis and the like, these are the topics that give us REAL and MEANINGFUL answers about the universe, life and origins in general, not the thoughts of primitive men.

We have a very good idea how life on this planet originated and it wasn't through sky daddy saying 'ta-da', we also have a very good idea of the history of the universe and that also does not require sky daddy, and it's not surprising considering his origins in the mind of primitive men.

Getting an understanding of the origin of life and the universe is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle, each scientist in these fields is out there every day picking up the pieces one at a time and making absolutely sure they all fit, there are still a lot of pieces missing for now but we have millions more pieces than the ancient religious originators and as such we are able to see a far more accurate picture of the universe that their limited intellects ever could.

Face it ecolox, Religion can offer us nothing else in the way of piecing together the puzzle because all you ever do is sit around contemplating ancient texts written by (and i'll say it again to make it clear) PRIMITIVE MEN rather than actively trying to piece together the puzzle like all the scientists out there are doing every day.

We exist, end of story, if you want to waste your life praying to the childish concept of sky daddy then go ahead, but you will be better off catching up on 2000+ years of superior knowledge that doesn't rely on old myths to explain away the unknown.

It is not the end of the story, it's still a mystery, at the very least, despite 2000+ years of knowledge building. My "childish" conceptions are my best efforts at living this life right - because I would hate to waste this existence. Many (all) of you here have said/implied this is your only shot at life, and I take it the same way. I talk to people like you guys to work on my own purpose (top priority) - tweek it - and to challenge others to do the same. It's not a waste of time, it's foundational.

If you need the fear of god to make you live this life right your mentally unstable, though i doubt you do need him to live a good life, it's just your lifelong brainwashing coming into effect forcing you to attribute everything good to your sky daddy.

How can you claim to take the finite life approach when part of your belief is an infinite life of kissing sky daddy's ass?

And besides, what purpose do you have in this life as a Christian? To be obedient, to serve, to praise. It can't be about doing good or living well because in your world view Good and evil are only what God says they are, or more correctly, what you have been told to believe god said to some primitive men in the bronze age middle east who, after generations of hearsay, had their interactions with god recorded in a book that you, thousands of years later, still believe is true.

And even after death if you are in heaven, what is your purpose then? Obedience, servitude, praise, worship... Can't you see, your entire faith is about control, about following orders, blind worship and obedience. Christianity is a cult that, like any other cult, pries upon the uncertainty inherent in humanity and exploits it, threatens you with an inconceivable amount of suffering should you even think negatively about God without begging for forgiveness afterwards. It is all designed to get you to follow the rules!

Stop being so gullible!