RE: Christians
September 12, 2009 at 5:22 am
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2009 at 5:26 am by Ace Otana.)
(September 11, 2009 at 11:13 pm)ecolox Wrote: Ace, a rock doesn't need a purpose of its own because it doesn't have to act. Plants and animals can't conceive of a purpose. Humans can, of course, and they should. You know that a purpose is useful. It's not crazy to have a purpose in life - its conducive to productivity/living, to everything good. Some people live for the "American dream", others for this or that or the other - some people flow with the social winds. I think it's irresponsible to not consider your purpose the top consideration in life.
EvF and theVOID, how can anyone deny that this universe needs an explanation? It is a great mystery to everyone here is it not?
What could be the cause of the universe? Something that resembles life or something that resembles rocks? Something rational or something arational? Good or evil or what? Surely atheists speculate on these topics. Some of these comments make it sound like that's off limits for you people. This is the most basic question we can all ask, and much hinges on how we answer (or don't).
theVOID Wrote:We exist, end of story, if you want to waste your life praying to the childish concept of sky daddy then go ahead, but you will be better off catching up on 2000+ years of superior knowledge that doesn't rely on old myths to explain away the unknown.
It is not the end of the story, it's still a mystery, at the very least, despite 2000+ years of knowledge building. My "childish" conceptions are my best efforts at living this life right - because I would hate to waste this existence. Many (all) of you here have said/implied this is your only shot at life, and I take it the same way. I talk to people like you guys to work on my own purpose (top priority) - tweek it - and to challenge others to do the same. It's not a waste of time, it's foundational.
Quote:a rock doesn't need a purpose of its own because it doesn't have to act. Plants and animals can't conceive of a purpose.It doesn't have to act in order to have a purpose. Outside of evolution, we have no purpose. We can conceive of a purpose but that means fuck all for nature. Outside of evolutionary purposes, we have no purpose.
Quote:Some people live for the "American dream", others for this or that or the otherThat's called having a man-made purpose.
Quote:how can anyone deny that this universe needs an explanation? It is a great mystery to everyone here is it not?No one here denies it. No one denies the need for an explanation for the universe. It is a great mystery but going by religious beliefs will not answer any questions.
Scientific observation will do me just fine.
Quote:What could be the cause of the universe?We do not know. Nobody knows.
Quote:Good or evil or what?Good and evil are man made concepts.
Quote:This is the most basic question we can all ask, and much hinges on how we answerIndeed. Many of us have realised religion doesn't get us anywhere but science does.
Quote:despite 2000+ years of knowledge building2000+ years of superstition building more like.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
