(September 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:Quote:Evolution could not occur without our drive to continue.I don't know how you managed to tie this all up to evolution.
Quote:But accepting our finite existence as individuals, much less a species, is hardly pessimistic.So which evolution are you talking about if you're talking of extinction?
Quote:Religion teaches you to put up a wall and ignore the competition of ideas that do foster progress.Well, the walls that it puts before you as you claim doesn't seem to be high enough for them to deny the finiteness of this world and the human species, eh? Really friend, those who you oppose have the same outlook on life as you do.
It's just that you don't have a concept of afterlife. I believe that you're not really so different. You have your own walls, and they're probably as high as those whom you proclaim to have high walls due to their religious convictions.
Quote:Name me one point in history where some nation or group claims to have it right and nothing changed for the better after that, despite the future proving them wrong.You're rambling, friend, I don't who claimed to have it right or wrong, but if something's wrong, it's wrong.
But by your words, something is worthless even if it's right or wrong, for in the finiteness, right or wrong doesn't matter, they all go down the same way, and lose their relevance after we go extinct according to your predictions.
Quote:NO, we are better off as a species accepting our finite nature, as individuals and as a collective future.Well, as I said, most people in the world accept this, however, with a religious overtone. What difference is there between your words, and theirs?
Quote:There is a reason to move forward, because our lives are finite.Well, I see truth in these words, but the underlying context which your provided me spells that my finiteness and yours are quite different from eachother.
I know that my life on this earth is finite, but I choose to outifit this finite life with a purpose, so what made my life "my life" lives on in eternity. But you take that one away from me too. You don't allow me to write my name in the book of immortals by one way or another, which really gives me no real purpose than to live out my life just to live it out, like animals. Eat, drink, sleep...
Quote:If someone claiming to be a Mormon or Catholic or Muslim prevents them from blowing shit up or committing crime,That's not it, though.
It's not about keeping a person from committing a crime.
It's about giving those people a life that is beyond the finiteness of the flesh. I am not really certain if such a thing exists, but in the back of my mind, I wish it does. And if not, I wish that my people continue to exist throughout the many ages into infinity, and work towards that goal, so that my bloodline, through them, me, can live on.
It would be great to have an afterlife, so I could maybe watch them from somewhere above, or under, who knows? What I don't understand is what gives you a purpose that overrides all these purposes, and makes you life meaningful. You don't seem to be occupied with furthering your bloodline, keeping it safe and secure and wealthy or helping your nation archive new heights or something that could render your life a higher purpose than to just live your life.
Quote:But I totally disagree that any claim on any subject religious or not, should hold a taboo status.Well, you call, buddy. If you don't want to make it a taboo, it ain't a taboo for you.
For me, certain things are very sacred.
Quote:You type on this computer because someone questioned. We no longer in the west have slavery and women can vote because of questioning. What held that back and needlessly so? RELIGION!Questioning what? You speak of questioning, yet there is one thing that you cannot question by your words. Finiteness. You cannot seem to question the nature of that one.
I don't know how you came to state that religion was the reason of all the evils of the world, but I think that you still are a bit sour due to your personal experiences. Religion was born from the ability of man's ability to question, and you ought to blame the lack of questioning on religion?
Best you rethink your statements, friend.
NO, most people in the world DO NOT accept their finite nature otherwise they would not have faith in an afterlife.
Religion was not born out of questioning. It was born from gap filling and imagination. Questioning landed our species on the moon, faith slams planes into buildings and burns witches.


