RE: Christians
September 15, 2009 at 1:31 am
(This post was last modified: September 15, 2009 at 1:37 am by theVOID.)
(September 14, 2009 at 11:08 pm)ecolox Wrote: I'm glad you think so. Jesus said "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me".
I don't care what your delusional Jewish zombie friend said.
Quote:theVOID Wrote:We don't know what happened before the big bang.
We don't know why we are here, ASSUMING THERE IS A 'WHY' AT ALL!
We don't know the exact origins of life on this planet.
I know, that's why I got you to admit that your existence is a big mystery.
1. You didn't get me to admin anything that i'm not already open about 2. Existence of the cosmos is a mystery, the existence of life not so much.
Quote:theVOID Wrote:But that DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT MEAN GUESSING THAT IT WAS A GOD, In place of real answers, IS ANYTHING MORE THAN COMPLETE BUFFOONERY!!!
What real answers have you supplied...none. You would rather sit in a pool of your own ignorance than try to explain why you exist.
Drop the loaded question, you automatically assume we exist for a reason when you phrase it "why do we exist" and before you can make this assumption you need to VERIFY that we do exist for a reason.
The two appropriate questions to ask are:
1. HOW do we exist?
2. Do we exist for a reason?
Both of which i have already provided my answer to.
1. Matter, Energy, Abiogenesis and Evolution
2. Not certain, i reject the assumption until it is verified by evidence.
Quote:theVOID Wrote:You INSIST on a belief that is not only DEVOID COMPLETELY of ANY evidence but one that is also REJECTED COMPLETELY BUT THE SUMMATION OF ALL EVIDENCE FROM ALL FIELDS OF STUDY!
There isn't any science out there that says God can't exist. There is the pseudoscience, of course, that you subscribe to, I assume.
I don't subscribe to anything without it being verified as truth. We can't prove god can't exist but we can't prove Unicorns and Faries don't exist. We can't prove that the universe wasn't the product of two hippos having anal sex in another universe. God is in the same category.
Simple fact is; there is no evidence for the existence of god and therefore no reason to assume it is true.
Quote:theVOID Wrote:You talk about how you 'reversed engineered' the universe, but what real study did you do? You only put God into a gap - and you think that is in some way an adequate position? LAUGHABLE!
In light of God, the universe makes sense, and I have a reason to live. He is the answer to the biggest, relevant question out there. You've provided nothing as an alternative answer. Should I listen to you?
It does not matter if it makes sense to you, doesn't matter if it makes you comfortable, doesn't matter what we as a species believe, what matters is the truth and the only way separate truth from untruth is the scientific method which allows us to accurately and repeatably verify truth statements ans separate them from fiction.
God is the easy answer, people cling to it when they are too weak minded for a challenging belief system that doesn't exits solely to make us feel better. Religion like putting a bandage on a tumor - it covers it up but doesn't solve anything.
Quote:theVOID Wrote:You say few things will be answers by us - LAUGHABLE AGAIN! Science and those who support it are the ONLY people getting real answers to the big questions. Look at what science has given us! Then look at what we got from religion during the past 2000 years... FUCK ALL - And you claim religion is going to give us answers! My sides hurt!
You only look at the by-products of bad religion, no wonder you don't know what you're saying.
Religion has provided us with very little positive advantage and many many negative ones. Over the last 100 years science has given us more benefits than religion has in it's entire history - that tends to happen when you deal with truth rather than speculation!
I challenge you to name a single positive action provided by religion that could not be done by a secular person! Here's a hint; you can't!
But it is easy to name advantages provided by science that religion could never deliver.
Quote:theVOID Wrote:Not only that, but science gives us these things without asking for complete loyalty and worship, doesn't threaten us with suffering if we don't believe, doesn't demand our respect, doesn't watch over us as an intergalactic dictator - It has every advantage and no disadvantage.
I wouldn't go so far as to say all that.
And you would be wrong again.
theVOID Wrote:Well done Ecolox - You are the most stupid individual i have ever encountered on these boards, bar none.
Stupid is as stupid does.
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Nonsensical reply, nothing less than expected from someone defending a falsity.
(September 15, 2009 at 1:29 am)ecolox Wrote:(September 15, 2009 at 12:45 am)Retorth Wrote:(September 15, 2009 at 12:01 am)ecolox Wrote: Religion is about figuring out why we exist, in large part... Science has nothing to say about it, and neither do you so far.
Religion is a comfort zone for individuals who are weak-minded and have nothing else to turn to.
They say "ignorance is bliss" - does that sound about right to you? I find it humorous that you try to insult the bold and brave who take on the challenge of "the big question". Do you expect that anyone will think it is you who is bold and brave, who settles for nothing with stupidity?
But you AREN'T answering anything!!! You aren't bold and you aren't brave - you aren't actively looking for truth, you aren't making a dent in the question! Religion DOES NOT have the tools to answer the questions!
What's worse is this; you already have your answer and you are working backwards from a conclusion! What a stupid methodology - but no more stupid than i would expect from a theist.
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