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The Nuking of Japan
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RE: The Nuking of Japan
(September 12, 2012 at 7:43 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
Quote:I find it hilarious how certain of us have such quaint ideas about war.

Killing is never 'right', but there are times when the realistic alternatives are much worse. I believe this is perhaps the biggest example in human history. It should be on everyone's conscience, not just America's for having used the bomb but for Japan for provoking the war in the first place and subjecting her citizens to death and destruction from an enemy who would have otherwise left her alone.

This is a issue which, for me, transcends right and wrong. It's far too complex for there to ever be such a simple answer. There's no way to ever know for sure, but I do believe that the course of events, as they happened, resulted in many less human deaths than may otherwise have been the case.

The wars were all dick measuring contests of countries governments. The first world war especially so. Everyone wanted to prove how big and powerful they were even before the assassination of Ferdinand but they weren't ready for it. They didn't realize war had changed and that even the most unskilled of peasants given a gun could easily kill the most seasoned of war veterans. It was a slaughter.
After we put such heavy fines and restrictions on the Germans that caused the depression which gave rise to Hitler a second world war was inevitable. Every conflict could of been avoided but our governments thought pursuing honour, grudges and power was more valuable than the lives of its citizens.

Tyrants and murderers, all of them. Don't fool yourselves into thinking your governments care about you.
It only does so far as you are a commodity, a human resource to be used, expended and disposed of.
In the same situation with that power at their disposal any government at that time would of done the same thing without a second thought. They'd do anything to win as quickly as possible with minimal time and resources spent.
If the opportunity ever arose any one of them would sacrifice billions upon billions more for global supremacy and we all know it. So no, its not a morale issue.
Our governments are in no way, shape or form moral. If we are to look at our collective histories and recent circumstance we can in no way fool ourselves into thinking they are.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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The Nuking of Japan - by Creed of Heresy - September 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by System of Solace - September 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Shell B - September 11, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by System of Solace - September 11, 2012 at 8:32 pm
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RE: The Nuking of Japan - by System of Solace - September 11, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by jonb - September 11, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by greneknight - September 11, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Shell B - September 12, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 11, 2012 at 8:41 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by System of Solace - September 11, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by System of Solace - September 11, 2012 at 9:12 pm
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RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Polaris - September 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Creed of Heresy - September 11, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Shell B - September 11, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Minimalist - September 11, 2012 at 9:15 pm
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RE: The Nuking of Japan - by Creed of Heresy - September 11, 2012 at 9:34 pm
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RE: The Nuking of Japan - by System of Solace - September 11, 2012 at 10:33 pm
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