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(September 17, 2009 at 11:57 am)Eilonnwy Wrote:
(September 17, 2009 at 11:49 am)Meatball Wrote:
(September 16, 2009 at 9:26 pm)Saerules Wrote: Generally is a pretty unfair word to build laws off of.
I disagree. While you won't find the word in many actual laws, the principle is there. It's not even remotely feasible to write laws that encompass every case. There will always be someone who gets the short end of the stick in generalizations.

What you're proposing is the ultimate nanny state in which Big Brother deems who deserves what and when, on a person to person basis. I find your idea preposterous because I value personal freedom.

You're a teenager who's pissed off at the system because you don't yet have all the rights of a legal adult. Guess what? You fall into the same category as 90% of teenagers who are pissed off about it.

I agree. I used to be the same way when I was a teenager. In fact it's the most common thing for teenagers to hate the age restrictions, because they think they know better. They don't, it's just a plain and simple fact. As my mother always tells me, youth is wasted on the young. I don't assume I know everything, but at least I try to be as honest about it as I can and keep an open mind to learning and willingness to correct myself when I'm wrong.

The only age restriction I disagree with is I think is alcohol. I think 18 is fine for a drinking age. I didn't start drinking till I was 18...illegally that is...but yeah. >.>
Therefore none of us is different, and all of us are clones? Just because you were 'that way', and many people are 'that way': does not translate to all of us being that way. To agree with an age restriction... is to say that perfectly fine wine will not be "just right" until next year.
(September 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote:
(September 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm)Saerules Wrote: Explain to me... how not being in control of my money, my body, even my own possessions... translates into personal freedom. The burden of proof is on you, as these rights (the right to be oneself) are unalienable.

Perhaps you would like us to all be clones? Only if we were perfect clones would such generalizations not affect personal freedom. If so: then perhaps you should read something like Anthem.

Because the majority teenagers are irresponsible. Everyone has to wait the same amount of time to be legal. Everyone has to be 18 years to be considered legal, it's fair and the best way we can judge maturity without individually scrutinizing every child on this planet. It's simple reasonable and realistic, and to think you can judge maturity based on your system is simply unreasonable. I would not want the government judging how mature I am through some individual psych exam, that's utterly absurd.

Trust me, once you've made it past the legal landmarks in age, you'll feel better about it.

I consistently go to conventions where the age bracket skews 16-20 and the teens there drive me up a while. I enjoy seeing my friends and having a good time but the teens can often ruin my mood. Then I've been to a few unique events where it was 21+ only or the age bracket just simply heavy on the 21+. Best events I've ever been to, relaxed, comfortable, and mature!

The simple fact is these generalizations are true, useful, and fair.

Then the majority of people is also irresponsible, Eilon. It is not fair, Eilon... it is equal, and this equality is unfair.

To show you why equality is unfair: Person A works all day, works hard, works well... and gets paid as much as person B who does not work more than an hour a day, works lazily, and works poorly. This is equality, and this is why I will never support it: Equality is not fair.

Fair treatment would dictate that Person A would get paid a great deal for doing a great deal of work... and Person B would get next to nothing at all.

Let us translate this now to this age-line. Person A is reserved, mature, self-sufficient, and has 100% attendance... while Person B is obnoxious, immature, a moocher, and misses school almost enough each week to get thrown out.

Treating them equally, Person A will lawfully receive their ability to make choices for themself when they are 18. Person B will be able to make equivalent choices at the same time. This is an equal system... and because of that: this is an unfair system.

You may think it 'utterly absurd' that you get what you deserve... but me? I think it is fair.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day



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RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 6:07 pm
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RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 15, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 6:15 pm
RE: C--------- - by theblindferrengi - September 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm
RE: C--------- - by Tiberius - September 15, 2009 at 5:52 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm
RE: C--------- - by Meatball - September 15, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 7:39 pm
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RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: C--------- - by theblindferrengi - September 15, 2009 at 9:11 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: C--------- - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 3:12 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 16, 2009 at 9:26 pm
RE: C--------- - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:57 am
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RE: C--------- - by Edwardo Piet - September 18, 2009 at 8:05 am
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 12:02 pm
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RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 11:46 am
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 1:16 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 9:53 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 11:24 pm
RE: C--------- - by Meatball - September 18, 2009 at 11:39 am
RE: C--------- - by Edwardo Piet - September 18, 2009 at 9:51 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 18, 2009 at 10:49 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 20, 2009 at 5:20 am
RE: C--------- - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 6:09 am
RE: C--------- - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 8:19 am
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 20, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 21, 2009 at 3:06 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 21, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 21, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: C--------- - by fr0d0 - September 21, 2009 at 5:44 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 21, 2009 at 6:25 pm
RE: C--------- - by fr0d0 - September 21, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 21, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 21, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 21, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RE: C--------- - by Edwardo Piet - September 21, 2009 at 5:43 pm
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RE: C--------- - by Rhizomorph13 - September 21, 2009 at 6:24 pm
RE: C--------- - by Edwardo Piet - September 21, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 21, 2009 at 7:01 pm
RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 2:54 pm
RE: C--------- - by Meatball - September 22, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: C--------- - by Rhizomorph13 - September 22, 2009 at 3:34 pm
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RE: C--------- - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: C--------- - by Meatball - September 22, 2009 at 4:53 pm
RE: C--------- - by Eilonnwy - September 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm
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