RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.
September 21, 2012 at 1:02 am
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2012 at 1:04 am by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(September 20, 2012 at 2:59 pm)Drich Wrote: ...
again, If there were undenyable proof then people like you would have no choice but to believe. If for no other reason then self preservation.
So, apparently by that logic, one should love their spouse before they even meet for the first time? Most people meet their spouse before they're in love. Does that mean their relationships are a sham because of that?
And this whole thing about "undeniable" proof is a bit odd. What level of proof did God provide you? Was it semi-deniable? What percentage of it was deniable and undeniable? Was it 60 percent deniable, and 40 percent undeniable? If so, then you believe in God 40 percent of the time just for self preservation!
Is there a specific ratio of undeniable to deniable proof of God that results in belief? Maybe God is providing atheists with the wrong serving size of proof?
Of course I could ask, why decide people's salvation based on simple "belief"? Why not be based on an authentic love for God? And why is it that absolute proof of God existence necessarily entails a phony conversion? You haven't shown that to be the case.
And supposing phony conversions would be such a problem, maybe God should have never told us about the existence of hell in the first place! If nobody was aware of hell, then maybe everyone would freely love God because of how awesome he is?
Quote: I Never said these instances were universal proofs of God. These events (an many others) are the proofs that I needed in my own personal life to justify my faith in God. If I were one person out of the billions that have lived and are alive now, then I would dismiss my own accounts. But, as it is i am not. Billions more have similar experiences. Not anyone enough to force a non believer to believe, but enough to establish and maintain belief in one person's life.
This is just special pleading. And you are simply a crazy person, Drich, for excepting what you have told us as proof. UFO and bigfoot hunters are convinced on better evidence than you.
Quote:No one has ever been saved according to what he believes God has done for someone else. Salvation is a result of a direct relationship God has with you through the blood Christ offered on your behalf.
blah blah blah, heard it a million times.
Quote:If you want to know for yourself, then simply Ask, though prayer and petition. Seek in the bible, church and through your questions, and knock by repeating this process till you find what your heart is looking for. Let God Change your life and offer you a proof that will mean nothing to anyone else, but to you will be the like the key to faith you are looking for. All any of us needs is a mustard seed's worth of faith.

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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).