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Fundamentalist Trekkies....
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies....
(September 21, 2012 at 1:36 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Minimizing my protests at the outside-of-normal-star-trek-canon-expectations developments as "minor" reeks of apologetics.

Also, you're moving the goal posts.

You haven't shown why Romulans using Borg technology necessarily entails an unavoidable contradiction to canon. The event happened at least 10 years after Voyager. There's plenty of wiggle room for writers, or... you know that thing called IMAGINATION.

Quote:I pointed out that Vulcans depicted in the series only lost composure due to unusual circumstances.

And you fire back with "Long ago..."

That is irrelevant -- we are speaking to the portrayal of Vulcans on the actual television shows and movies. Their backstory is used as an explanation for their stone-faced exterior.

Their backstory is part of canon. It was mentioned in several Star Trek episodes. And now you're unfairly quarantining the "canon" to only that of Star Trek written from 1966 (or 64 if you include the pilot) to 2005. New things cannot be made canon after 2005?! If there was a TNG episode that had a Vulcan getting angry, you'd be ok. But since there are new writers now in control, they can't have the same freedom?!

Quote:Still doesn't justify half-human Spock acting like a Terran and almost beating Kirk to death.

I've offered plenty of reasons why that could happen. You're just being willfully ignorant.

Quote:Another thing too -- why does Spock lose emotional composure and someone like Sisko didn't?

By all means, Sisko comes into contact with the man who murdered his wife and crew during Wolf-359 and "recovered" from Borg infestation. You can clearly see him steeled, cold and angry at Picard, the man responsible for it all.

Sisko is fully human. And as I explained Vulcans can be more easily controlled by their emotions if they don't undergo their traditional training. This is not a fair comparison.

Quote:But you really want me to believe that Spock, with all his years of emotional suppression, will go ape-shit at the slightest provocation just after witnessing his mothers death while a full blooded terran coming face-to-face with his wife's murderer can control himself?

Yes.

Quote:I feel a little amiss at this incredible humanizing of Spock to the point he is no longer Spock.

Hell, the great feud between Shatner and Nimoy started because Spock was an instant hit with the ladies due to his "ungettable" nature. His entire character definition revolved around his distaste for letting his human side get to him. It was a running joke on TOS, where Kirk would try to point out his human qualities, much to Spock's distaste.

Quote:I cannot see the transition between beating Kirk to a pulp on the bridge and the Spock in TOS. Not at all.

And that is the hardest thing you've asked me and other Star Trek fans who grew up with this stuff to swallow.
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Compared to other Vulcans, Spock always had a bit of a human personality in TOS and especially in the first six movies. And you're comparing two different Spocks, one Spock who never lost his home planet, and one who had and also got to meet a much older and wiser version of himself.

Obviously, things are going to be a little different. I don't expect it to very different however.
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Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 18, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Polaris - September 18, 2012 at 3:32 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 18, 2012 at 3:45 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Polaris - September 18, 2012 at 3:48 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tiberius - September 18, 2012 at 3:53 am
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Polaris - September 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 20, 2012 at 12:20 am
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 20, 2012 at 1:27 am
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Polaris - September 20, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 20, 2012 at 1:35 am
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 20, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Zen Badger - September 20, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Autumnlicious - September 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by DeistPaladin - September 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 20, 2012 at 4:38 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 21, 2012 at 7:57 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Reforged - September 21, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Anomalocaris - September 21, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by DeistPaladin - September 21, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Polaris - September 21, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 22, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Autumnlicious - September 21, 2012 at 6:07 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Polaris - September 21, 2012 at 11:05 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Anomalocaris - September 22, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 22, 2012 at 6:57 pm
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RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies.... - by Cyberman - September 22, 2012 at 7:30 pm
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