RE: Fundamentalist Trekkies....
September 21, 2012 at 4:10 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm by Autumnlicious.)
(September 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: You haven't shown why Romulans using Borg technology necessarily entails an unavoidable contradiction to canon. The event happened at least 10 years after Voyager. There's plenty of wiggle room for writers, or... you know that thing called IMAGINATION.
There is also something called making bullshit up and shoveling it into others mouths...
As I said, Seven of Nine adapted Borg Technology to Voyager for their use.
The rest was done de novo by the Federation.
Remember Arturus's Quantum Slipstream drive (the plot device so powerful the writers invented a horrible destabilization with?)? Voyager reimplemented that stuff from scratch.
(September 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Their backstory is part of canon. It was mentioned in several Star Trek episodes. And now you're unfairly quarantining the "canon" to only that of Star Trek written from 1966 (or 64 if you include the pilot) to 2005. New things cannot be made canon after 2005?! If there was a TNG episode that had a Vulcan getting angry, you'd be ok. But since there are new writers now in control, they can't have the same freedom?!
You're full of shit.
I cited a Vulcan committing violence in Sarek (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sarek_%28episode%29), however indirect.
It validates the backstory without him going apeshit.
Next point: Spock attacking Kirk due to influence by Omicron Ceti III spores (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/This_Sid...episode%29).
It is pathetic that you must resort to painting me as some freedom restrictor, when I'm objecting to the new writers sticking their goddamn dick into the franchise and calling it warp speed!
(September 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I've offered plenty of reasons why that could happen. You're just being willfully ignorant.
Apologetics again!
I've got a consistent set of storylines, character development and plot that backs up a preponderance of evidence for the Vulcan character reacting in a particular manner.
All you can do is come up with HUMAN answers, not answers constrained to what we have WRITTEN about VULCANS.
Keep your Terrans and Vulcans straight.
Or can you?
(September 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Sisko is fully human. And as I explained Vulcans can be more easily controlled by their emotions if they don't undergo their traditional training. This is not a fair comparison.
But you feel justified in coming up with a human reaction to a Vulcan tragedy.
How about another data point, when Spock heard the deaths of his fellows during the Immunity Syndrome (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Immu...episode%29).
What did he do?
He partially collapsed, exhausted, showing a shocked expression. He sounded worn, tired.
That is how Spock reacted to death on a large scale that he could hear telepathically -- a little bit like Obiwan Kenobi needing to sit down after Alderaan is destroyed.
(September 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Compared to other Vulcans, Spock always had a bit of a human personality in TOS and especially in the first six movies. And you're comparing two different Spocks, one Spock who never lost his home planet, and one who had and also got to meet a much older and wiser version of himself.
Obviously, things are going to be a little different. I don't expect it to very different however.
That's a lie on the older and wiser part.
I have cited the Spock FIVE YEARS from the supposed Star Trek (2009) movie taking place in the time line.
I have cited his fellow Vulcans and their reactions.
In essence, I keep on citing entire episodes.
The burden of proof is on YOU, tegh, to explain the redevelopment of Spock and his actions.
And so far, my citations outweigh yours and my tracing of analogous events has been far larger than yours.
You're just a Star Trek (2009) Apologist...
Slave to the Patriarchy no more