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(September 18, 2009 at 8:05 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:
(September 16, 2009 at 9:26 pm)Saerules Wrote: Generally is a pretty unfair word to build laws off of.

But unfair is still better than an even more unfair! And better than the unmanageable, better than chaos. It's a case of choosing the best option available. And at least the same law applies to everyone, even if it is rather (or very) general. We can only make use of the best available

(September 16, 2009 at 9:26 pm)Saerules Wrote: There should be exceptions to our current law though. As I said before: our current law enables the immature to make choices they are not ready for... when they shouldn't; and forces the mature away from making choices they are ready for.

Yes, but as I said - how? Until there can be a way to properly judge these exceptions, it wouldn't work. What rule would you be advocating to judge these exceptions? If there's a way, fine. But are you just being idealistic here, or are you actually offering a realistic alternative?

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How can so many intelligent people... still not 'get it'? How can I be any clearer? Fairness is to get what one deserves... and equality is to get what everyone else gets. How is that so difficult to understand? Our current law is flawed... and exceptions should be made based upon the maturity, self-sufficiency, and mental-stability expected of an adult.

Once again you assume that we cannot properly judge this. I have already stated that knowing what to test, and how to test it, is an issue that many intelligent people with a great deal of research would know. The theory of the idea, however... is more than just a realistic alternative: it is possibly the most viable alternative.

'Just' idealistic, you call me? I am an existentialist... do not confuse me with a realist. If there is a better idea, I would be happy to implement it. As such, none of you has presented a better idea... and most of you seem to be arguing just because a rather brilliant system is different from what you are used to... and only because the current one gives the illusion of 'working well'.

Here's a news flash: it doesn't work well. I have given direct logical evidence that your system does not work... and all you have done is say that this one "couldn't work" because we haven't decided upon the best solution to minor problems. You argue that we would unfairly lose our 'rights'... and I have shown that our 'rights' are given to those ready for them. How is this any different from your age line? It is only different in that it can tell exactly when a person is ready for them... instead of assuming that they are (or are not).
(September 18, 2009 at 11:39 am)Meatball Wrote:
(September 17, 2009 at 11:24 pm)Saerules Wrote: And why should a person have more freedom than they deserve?
Some might argue that every adult inherently deserves all freedoms, regardless of whether or not they can pass an arbitrary test given by their government.

The system works, you're turning this into far too big a deal.

No teenager is oppressed because of age restrictions. You cannot make a case in which your human rights are violated because you are a minor (that our system is not prepared to handle). Buying alcohol and voting are not fundamental human rights. Seeing R-rated movies and getting a credit card are not fundamental human rights.

In 2 or 3 years you'll be a part of the majority and forget about this dire injustice imposed upon the teenagers of the world.
I can make a case of my human rights being violated... but you are not privy to the information that would be required for the case. Is not owning one's body a fundamental human right? Is not seeking to better my education a fundamental human right?

In 40 years, I will never forget what injustice looks like... and the same will I feel about injustice if I live a thousand years. The system does not work (as I have shown)... show me that it does. Show me that it does not generate criminals and hold back beneficial citizens... Show me, Meatball... or stop repeating 'the system works'.

Those who argue such a thing... have no idea what they are saying. A mentally insane adult... deserves the right to posses weapons? An immature adult... deserves the right to have children? An adult that cannot support themself... deserves to make decisions they are not ready for? I could go on... Have you any idea what you are saying?

This system does not work. It is easy, it is cheap... but it does not support what you say it does.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day



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