Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

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Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

September 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm

(September 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(September 25, 2012 at 12:20 am)Drich Wrote: Did you all miss the memo? See post 22 (at the bottom of the page i leave a link that describes how Acceptable sacerfices were made)
http://atheistforums.org/thread-14973-page-3.html

(bolding mine)
This is just short of explicitly saying "he burned he alive as a sacrifice". It can't be much more obvious.
Yes but there is a problem that you and Mini don't see. In order to make a proper burnt offering to God their is a proceedure. it involves a priest of the levitical line. What is described in chapter 11 verse 1 about how Jep Came to be, disqualifies him as a preist able to make said sacerfice himself. Meaning He could only "OFFER" his daughter to the Temple/God/Preisthood. The preist would have to take part in the cermony in order for the killing/burnt offering to be acceptable before God. And because of the "Book Chapter and Verse" I left you saying ALL Human sacerfice was not acceptable before God, then a preist would have to refuse the ritual. Meaning if Jep was insistent to give his daughter to God they would have taken her as a slave to do all of the 'unclean' tasks in the temple. Meaning the even if Jep's intention was to kill his daughter and offer her as a burnt offering to God the preists would have stopped him.

However that does not mean she was not killed in some back alley and set on fire. If she was know in your heart God did not accept this sacerfice.

(September 25, 2012 at 12:16 am)Stimbo Wrote: We're always being reprimanded for not taking the context into account. The context in this particular story couldn't be clearer if the pages were transparent. Man promises god to sacrifice first thing to greet him on his return home, in return for winning a battle. Man wins battle, returns hime. Daughter rushes out to greet him. Man not very happy but proceeds with sacrifice anyway. Everyone laments. Fade to black; roll credits. If you want to continue to argue that we have no record of what actually happened, despite the text stating what happened, then you are ruling out speculative rationalising on your part as well. Perhaps she turned into a giant butterfly and flew to Mars?

No, this is still a matter of context, but on a slightly larger scale. Jep as a "Judge" of God was bound to God's expressed will. Which includes the bit I left about human sacerfice and who was to make burnt offerings. You have motive in your little screen play, but not the means nor oppertunity. If Jep killed his daughter anyway then this story is not about human sacerfice but murder.

Now, even though it explicitly states that "he did to her as he had vowed", it isn't a sacrifice if it didn't explicitly list the method used? I give up...(No, this doesn't mean that you're right)
Disappointed

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Then please explain how this could be possiable if no one would perform the cermony. All Jep had to do to complete his vow is turn all rights and claims to his daughter over to the preists/God/Temple. That is was an offering is. He may have gone to the temple to kill and burn His daughter, but that does not mean the priest of the temple would have allowed it.

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Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Blackrook - September 21, 2012 at 1:06 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 1:18 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Blackrook - September 21, 2012 at 1:26 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 21, 2012 at 7:29 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by genkaus - September 21, 2012 at 3:34 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Jackalope - September 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Mister Agenda - September 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 1:28 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Blackrook - September 21, 2012 at 1:47 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:06 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 2:06 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:08 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by genkaus - September 21, 2012 at 3:42 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 22, 2012 at 3:18 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:12 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:27 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:34 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:41 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 21, 2012 at 10:13 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 21, 2012 at 10:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by TaraJo - September 21, 2012 at 10:35 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Whateverist - September 21, 2012 at 10:39 am

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by zappa1258 - September 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Brian37 - September 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by TaraJo - September 23, 2012 at 10:17 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 23, 2012 at 8:37 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 23, 2012 at 8:47 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 23, 2012 at 10:23 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by TaraJo - September 23, 2012 at 10:35 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 24, 2012 at 10:12 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 11:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 8:24 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by zappa1258 - September 23, 2012 at 9:03 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 23, 2012 at 10:13 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 23, 2012 at 10:25 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 23, 2012 at 10:36 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 23, 2012 at 8:58 pm

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 23, 2012 at 9:48 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:04 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 1:49 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 2:00 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 25, 2012 at 12:14 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:29 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 25, 2012 at 12:16 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 25, 2012 at 12:24 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by 5thHorseman - September 25, 2012 at 12:14 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 10:01 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 25, 2012 at 10:15 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 26, 2012 at 8:48 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Faith No More - September 25, 2012 at 2:33 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by IATIA - September 25, 2012 at 10:43 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 25, 2012 at 11:22 pm

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