Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

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Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

Darkstar

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

September 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm (This post was last modified: September 25, 2012 at 1:18 pm by Darkstar.)

(September 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: [quote='Darkstar' pid='341243' dateline='1348589091']

Yes but there is a problem that you and Mini don't see. In order to make a proper burnt offering to God their is a proceedure. it involves a priest of the levitical line. What is described in chapter 11 verse 1 about how Jep Came to be, disqualifies him as a preist able to make said sacerfice himself. Meaning He could only "OFFER" his daughter to the Temple/God/Preisthood. The preist would have to take part in the cermony in order for the killing/burnt offering to be acceptable before God. And because of the "Book Chapter and Verse" I left you saying ALL Human sacerfice was not acceptable before God, then a preist would have to refuse the ritual. Meaning if Jep was insistent to give his daughter to God they would have taken her as a slave to do all of the 'unclean' tasks in the temple. Meaning the even if Jep's intention was to kill his daughter and offer her as a burnt offering to God the preists would have stopped him.

However that does not mean she was not killed in some back alley and set on fire. If she was know in your heart God did not accept this sacerfice.

No, this is still a matter of context, but on a slightly larger scale. Jep as a "Judge" of God was bound to God's expressed will. Which includes the bit I left about human sacerfice and who was to make burnt offerings. You have motive in your little screen play, but not the means nor oppertunity. If Jep killed his daughter anyway then this story is not about human sacerfice but murder.

I Wrote:Now, even though it explicitly states that "he did to her as he had vowed", it isn't a sacrifice if it didn't explicitly list the method used? I give up...(No, this doesn't mean that you're right)

Drich Wrote:Then please explain how this could be possiable if no one would perform the cermony. All Jep had to do to complete his vow is turn all rights and claims to his daughter over to the preists/God/Temple. That is was an offering is. He may have gone to the temple to kill and burn His daughter, but that does not mean the priest of the temple would have allowed it.

I said I gave up on you but... One more time: "He did to her as he had vowed". Did. As in past tense. As in it's already over by that verse. It didn't say "he went to do to her as he had vowed" or "he decided to do to her as he had vowed" or "he took her to the priest to do to her as he had vowed". he did it. The deed was already done.

Minimalist Wrote:“If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

Nope, no just goving her to the priest. He had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering.

John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

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Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Blackrook - September 21, 2012 at 1:06 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 1:18 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Blackrook - September 21, 2012 at 1:26 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 21, 2012 at 7:29 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by genkaus - September 21, 2012 at 3:34 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Jackalope - September 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Mister Agenda - September 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 1:28 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Blackrook - September 21, 2012 at 1:47 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:06 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 2:06 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:08 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by genkaus - September 21, 2012 at 3:42 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 22, 2012 at 3:18 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:12 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:27 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:34 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:41 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 21, 2012 at 10:13 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 21, 2012 at 10:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by TaraJo - September 21, 2012 at 10:35 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Whateverist - September 21, 2012 at 10:39 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Violet - September 21, 2012 at 10:44 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 21, 2012 at 12:49 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by zappa1258 - September 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Brian37 - September 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 23, 2012 at 10:19 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by TaraJo - September 23, 2012 at 10:17 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 23, 2012 at 8:37 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 23, 2012 at 8:47 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 23, 2012 at 10:23 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by TaraJo - September 23, 2012 at 10:35 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 24, 2012 at 10:12 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 11:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 21, 2012 at 8:24 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by zappa1258 - September 23, 2012 at 9:03 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 23, 2012 at 10:13 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 23, 2012 at 10:25 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 23, 2012 at 10:36 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 23, 2012 at 8:58 pm

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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 23, 2012 at 9:48 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:04 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:20 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 1:49 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 2:00 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 25, 2012 at 12:14 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 12:29 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 25, 2012 at 12:16 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Angrboda - September 25, 2012 at 12:24 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by 5thHorseman - September 25, 2012 at 12:14 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Drich - September 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 10:01 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 25, 2012 at 10:15 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Cyberman - September 26, 2012 at 8:48 am

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Faith No More - September 25, 2012 at 2:33 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Reforged - September 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by IATIA - September 25, 2012 at 10:43 pm

RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell - by Minimalist - September 25, 2012 at 11:22 pm

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