RE: Friend or Foe?
September 28, 2012 at 10:48 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2012 at 10:50 pm by Brian37.)
(September 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm)Shell B Wrote: Cognitive does not mean anything mysterious, Brian. It actually is quite cognitive. I'm pretty sure he does not think it is supernatural, either. I think he is trying to say that he does not understand why so many people close their minds to it, not that God is closing their minds or something. Believing in God without religion makes him a deist. Do you give the same speech to people who have deist in their "views?"
I already explianed that.
Deist is nothing but code for "I have a pet invisiible beiang but I wont judge others when they claim theirs".
Jefferson was a deist too and as much as he contributed to secular goverment and pluralism, that does not mean becuase one says "I am not like the others" means that their own personal pet deity claim is credible.
I know what a "deist" is.
Jefferson thought that God started everything and then stepped aside. Eienstien and Hawkins although never claiming a personal god, metaphorically thought of "god" like Jefferson as a metaphor for nature.
What I object to is even using the word "god" or "God" when science says that a god is not required, not even in the context of discribing nature as being above us.. Even Hawkins said a god is not required.
So when you say he is a diest, SO WAS MY HERO JEFFERSON, but that does not make any claim of a club cognition or a personal cognition or nature being a god, a scientific reality.
It just means humans speculate. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts(Including Jeffersons deist god) we'd all have a party.
I am not interested in kind motifs, we all have them because we all like to think we are kind. Reality and evolution only favor repoduction, not our politics or religions or our intent.
