Divine Inspiration

[Darkstar]

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I'm sorry, but you're being fallacious. Ultimately your aim is obviously to prove the Bible is infallible, but when presented the facts that it has been edited and added to, you use the thing you're trying to prove to show that somehow these errors don't matter because the book says it's 'the word of god'.

If God put intentional 'facts' in the bible that help facilitate a desision no matter the out come then doesn't that allow the bible to be used as a tool just like He orginally intended? If the bible is being used as God intended then how is it deemed falliable?

I see the perfection of God's word in the fact that no matter what you think of it, it is being used as God intended. Which makes God's word perfect and complete.

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What? God didn't put these 'facts' into the bible, people did. The fact that the original message of the bible has been added to or edited makes the bible falliable, even if it were infalliable to begin with, which it was not. How do you know god wanted the bible to be a 'tool'? Does it say so in the bible? How do you know he approves of it being used incorrectly? How is it perfect even when it is flawed simply because it is being used as a tool? In fact, a flawed bible is worse than no bible.

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The two creation accounts
Were the plants created during the 6 days or not?
Genesis 1:11,12
Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 2:5,6
Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Were the animals created during the 6 days or not?
Genesis 1:20
And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

Genesis 2:19
Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky...

the only failure here is in the comperhension of how a traditional Jewish naritive was compiled. Or do you really and honestly think the writer of this passage did not orginally see the continuity errors the website you C&P from did?

In Traditional Jewish story telling the audience does not want to hear a story in chronical logical order as we do. They want to hear all of the major points of a story, and then the story teller is expected to come back and fill in the details. So in Genesis 1 you have the typical overview, and then then a more detailed account that follows. remember the orginal account was not subdivided into Book Chapter and Verse.

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The two accounts contradict each other. One is not simply a deeper form of the other. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that 'traditional jewish storytelling' would permit obvious contradictions.

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Agreed. There needs to be choice for true faith to happen, but even before we get to this conclusion you need to show me why the Bible is infallible.

Actually i don't. This is God's job. The quickest way for Him to do this is for you is to follow/take God up on the promises He has offered to us.

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Well, god hasn't done his job the, has he? The only promises god gives us are of heaven and hell, which we can't test. If the bible contradicts itself, it is not infalliable, end of story.

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What about all the young children that die who didn't have a developed-enough mind to understand salvation? Heaven or hell?

Honestly the bible does not say. But my best guess? I would say if this life is about choice and a childs life is taken before he was old enough to make that desision then I would think God would give the child another chance to live a life and make said desision.

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Again, belief or lack of belief in a diety is not choice, it just happens. If someone threatened to kill you if you did not believe in unicorns, you would tell them you did, but you would not actually believe, If they could read your mind, you would die, as you cannot will yourself to believe something so contrary to reality, unless you already have some belief in it.

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So do you or do you not believe that women should stay quiet in church, not embarrass themselves by asking questions and leave that for when they get home and ask their husbands?

I do not see gender when questions are asked I only see a hungery soul looking to be nourshied. For all I know you are a female and I have readily provided an answer to your questions. I have done this for the known males and females in this Forum. I have also taught classes and had women ask questions, and i have answered them. Even so, I do and can see why this can be considered to be a problem.

As you can imagine my 'take' on christianity does not fit most denominational doctrines. In one instance I said something that contradicted this womans beliefs and she asked a question i quickly returned with a biblical answer, to which it became very personal to her and counted it as a personal attack against her when I corrected her theology. I did not mean any disrespect to her personally even though she took it that way. I then spent the rest of my time trying to calm her back down. In that instance this woman needed the personal attention her husband could have given her.

Likewise my wife was apart of a similar situation and was 'corrected.' to which she got very angry at how she was 'corrected.' I wished that she just asked me, but at the same time i have no issue with her engauging herself in a given study if she can leave her pride at the door.

That said I know what the bible says, and I know what i have done is wrong. No appologies no excuses. i am now subject to the same grace and attonement that covers all other sin. If not then I will have Hell to pay for my actions.

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You honestly believe that it is wrong to let your wife ask other people questions just because the bible says so? I bet you would say it was okay to stone unruly children to death if the bible said...wait,the bible does say that...