RE: Hare Krishna
October 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2012 at 1:20 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 6, 2012 at 11:24 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: This was a great comment too! You what I love about it? The question marks at the beginning of both timelines - both atheist and theist timelines! Those are so great because they indicate that there are huge huge things about reality that we just can't figure out or perceive on our own. I guess whatever it is that set up the universe just didn't give us the power to fully figure everything out.
Of course I am comfortable with unknowns. But you're obviously not. You are the one that is filling in unknowns with other (magical) unknowns.
Disease, floods, famines, earthquakes have all been unknowns in the past that ancients (and not so ancients) explained with "god did it". All you are doing is taking a bigger unknown and explaining it with "god did it". Didn't work in the past, won't work in the present, or future.
Quote:I think it's really awesome that you're fine with those question marks. You're so fine with your question marks, in fact, that you have the amazing confidence to say "I don't know squat about major shit in the universe, but I'm still ready to tell you what a dope you are for also having question marks in your timeline."
Because you are adding all sorts of other unknowns that are not supported by evidence, reasoned argument or valid logic. You are in essence saying, "science does not have an explanation (yet), so I will use my concept of a magic creator in place of evidence based explanations.".
Why not just stop at "science does not have an explanation yet"?
Isn't that the more intellectually honest approach?
Quote:I'd like to make a slight adjustment to your timeline, though...
? -> singularity -> big bang -> universe -> ? -> life
Did you notice the other question mark in there? I'm guessing you're probably cool with that one too, and that's great for you. But lets be real: you being cool with that is based on a leap of faith. There's no reason to be cool with that. You just have to believe.
You're placing a question mark where none is necessary. There is not a shred of evidence that shows that life required any magic process to exist.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
