This is getting ridiculously long. Basically, you admit that you cannot ever be convinced that god is immoral and there is no point in debating it with you. You also admitted that anything is good if god says so, and bad if he says so. There is no objective morality:
This proves that morality is subjective in that god can rewrite it anytime he likes.
You also hold that the holocaust was the best method god could use to get the jews their land back. I find this borderline disturbing.
You also said that because a clearly religious man gave you a loan to help you do 'whatever god wanted you to do' proves god, and that I'm desperate for considering his mentioning of your 'vision' implied that he knew of, well, your 'experience'.
Exactly. Broken people are desperate and need an imaginary friend to fill the hole. Of course, I wouldn't cave and give up reason, and I'm not trying to sound superior by this, I;m simply stating a fact. I wouldn't use religion as an opiate; I would actually fix the problem.
You missed my point entirely. God knows what I need as proof, he just won't give it. If I look for god and then have faith that whatever I find is proof of god then of course I'll 'find' god!
Not to me, to everyone! AGAIN: Why does he not just cut the crap and just show himself so he can see who will and won't follow?
Then why does he care so much about my lack of belief in him without evidence that he'll send me to hell for it?
Just out of curisoity what does 'evidence of God' look like?
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Something that must be an act of god. An unambiguous sign declaring itself god whilst doing something impossible.
Drich Wrote:Murder is the unsanctioned taking of a Human life. If God commands the genocide of an entire race or even planet then the taking of human life is indeed sanctioned.
Taking of human life in of itself is not a sin. It is the taking of life when not sanctioned by God is the sin.
This proves that morality is subjective in that god can rewrite it anytime he likes.
You also hold that the holocaust was the best method god could use to get the jews their land back. I find this borderline disturbing.
You also said that because a clearly religious man gave you a loan to help you do 'whatever god wanted you to do' proves god, and that I'm desperate for considering his mentioning of your 'vision' implied that he knew of, well, your 'experience'.
Drich Wrote:So why should God approach you this way? Maybe you need to be broken, maybe you need to have your health taken away, or the health oof a loved one, or maybe you need to marry someone with a substance abuse problem, or maybe you need to worry or pray over you children to have God let you go to the edge or maybe over the edge and pull you back or help you rebuild.
Exactly. Broken people are desperate and need an imaginary friend to fill the hole. Of course, I wouldn't cave and give up reason, and I'm not trying to sound superior by this, I;m simply stating a fact. I wouldn't use religion as an opiate; I would actually fix the problem.
Drich Wrote:I don't know what you will need as Proof, but God does It all depends on how hard you let your heart become. So if you want to know with absolute certainty, then all you have to do is Ask, Seek and knock and be faith to what you have been given.
You missed my point entirely. God knows what I need as proof, he just won't give it. If I look for god and then have faith that whatever I find is proof of god then of course I'll 'find' god!
Drich Wrote:Maybe you should rephrase and ask: Why won't god reveal Himself to me when I command?
Not to me, to everyone! AGAIN: Why does he not just cut the crap and just show himself so he can see who will and won't follow?
Drich Wrote:Because He is God and YOU are no body.
Then why does he care so much about my lack of belief in him without evidence that he'll send me to hell for it?
Just out of curisoity what does 'evidence of God' look like?
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Something that must be an act of god. An unambiguous sign declaring itself god whilst doing something impossible.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
