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Hare Krishna
RE: Hare Krishna
(October 6, 2012 at 11:25 pm)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Here's an argument I think is funny, for example:

( P ) Modern science, by their standard of achieving knowledge, has no evidence for God
( C ) Therefore there is no reason to think there is a God

What's missing from this argument is that there may be other ways of knowing if God exists or not. You certainly haven't proved that the modern scientific method is the only way to know anything that may be knowable. That's a claim science can't prove. I've heard respected scientists entirely agree with this point.

Science is great when it stays within the bounds of what it can talk about. When it starts making claims about things it can't talk about, like spirituality, or makes the claim that there is nothing else to talk about, that's like an intellectual foul.

Yeah, sorry, this is ignorant. Science doesn't place limitations on what can be learned, learned about, or how it can be learned. It's only sacred truth is that there are no sacred truths. All assumptions must be critically examined. Arguments from authority are worthless. Whatever is inconsistent with the facts, no matter how fond of it we are, must be discarded or revised. Science is self-correcting, ever-changing, applicable to everything. It values careful observation and respects facts even when they are disquieting and seem to contradict conventional wisdom.

Your "truth", however, is one giant argument from authority - static, unquestionable, unchangeable, untestable, unexaminable, ignorant of observation and fact. Your "truth" can only propagate through religion, because it has to be brainwashed into people to make it appear reasonable. Your religion in particular has a well-known reputation for being a leader in brainwashing its rigid dogma.

If there are other valid ways of knowing that god/gods exist, science places no limitations on using them. However, based on the accumulated knowledge from thousands of years of observations, the reports of "god" or "gods" are a result of the known irrational characteristics of human beings rather than the actions of supernatural beings.
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Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 7:38 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Faith No More - October 5, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Kayenneh - October 5, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by jonb - October 5, 2012 at 8:44 am
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Angrboda - October 5, 2012 at 8:50 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Mister Agenda - October 5, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Simon Moon - October 5, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Napoléon - October 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by IATIA - October 5, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by IATIA - October 5, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Angrboda - October 5, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Tino - October 6, 2012 at 4:24 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Tino - October 5, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Whateverist - October 5, 2012 at 10:59 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 11:14 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Kayenneh - October 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Simon Moon - October 5, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 1:20 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 5, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: Hare Krishna - by Shell B - October 6, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 6, 2012 at 12:44 am
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 6, 2012 at 11:24 am
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 6, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 6, 2012 at 8:00 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 6, 2012 at 1:11 am
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 9, 2012 at 10:28 am
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Faith No More - October 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 9, 2012 at 11:09 am
RE: Hare Krishna - by The Grand Nudger - October 9, 2012 at 11:35 am
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RE: Hare Krishna - by Minimalist - October 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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