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Beginnings
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RE: Beginnings
(October 17, 2012 at 8:15 am)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Christians get a lot of "guff" for trying to explain the beginning of the universe.

It got me to thinking, what would be your explanation for the beginnings of the universe?

Given that atheism is true, how did this universe begin?

Also please keep in mind that science has proven that the universe did in fact have a beginning.

Three leading cosmologists, Arvin Borde, Alan Guth, and Alexander Vilenkin, were able to prove that any universe which has, on average, been expanding throughout its history cannot be infinite in the past but must have a past space-time boundary.

What makes their proof so powerful is that it holds regardless of the physical description of the universe prior to the Planck time.

The Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem is independent of any physical description of that moment. Their theorem implies that even if our universe is just a tiny part of a so-called “multiverse” composed of many universes, the multiverse must have an absolute beginning.

Vilenkin is blunt about the implications:

It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning (Many Worlds in One [New York: Hill and Wang, 2006], p.176).

And all of this brings to you to god does it?

And even if you were able to prove that the universe had an intelligent cause you would then have to prove that it was your particluar god that did it.
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Beginnings - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 17, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: Beginnings - by Faith No More - October 17, 2012 at 8:19 am
RE: Beginnings - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 17, 2012 at 8:23 am
RE: Beginnings - by Shell B - October 17, 2012 at 9:48 am
RE: Beginnings - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Annik - October 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Beginnings - by genkaus - October 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 17, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Something completely different - October 17, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: Beginnings - by jonb - October 17, 2012 at 8:24 am
RE: Beginnings - by KichigaiNeko - October 17, 2012 at 8:27 am
RE: Beginnings - by Faith No More - October 17, 2012 at 8:29 am
RE: Beginnings - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Annik - October 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Beginnings - by genkaus - October 17, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Darkstar - October 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Zen Badger - October 17, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: Beginnings - by Rhizomorph13 - October 17, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: Beginnings - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: Beginnings - by Ben Davis - October 17, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: Beginnings - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Ben Davis - October 18, 2012 at 5:04 am
RE: Beginnings - by Minimalist - October 17, 2012 at 11:50 am
RE: Beginnings - by Mister Agenda - October 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Beginnings - by genkaus - October 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Annik - October 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Rhizomorph13 - October 17, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 17, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Shell B - October 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RE: Beginnings - by pocaracas - October 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Cyberman - October 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RE: Beginnings - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Annik - October 18, 2012 at 9:48 am
RE: Beginnings - by thesummerqueen - October 18, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Beginnings - by LostLocke - October 18, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: Beginnings - by Whateverist - October 18, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: Beginnings - by overlord fombax - October 18, 2012 at 11:07 am
RE: Beginnings - by downbeatplumb - October 18, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Beginnings - by Simon Moon - October 18, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Beginnings - by MysticKnight - October 19, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Beginnings - by downbeatplumb - October 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Beginnings - by MysticKnight - October 19, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RE: Beginnings - by overlord fombax - October 19, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: Beginnings - by downbeatplumb - October 19, 2012 at 1:31 pm
RE: Beginnings - by JDS - November 4, 2012 at 1:00 pm



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