RE: Beginnings
October 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2012 at 1:37 pm by genkaus.)
(October 17, 2012 at 8:23 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: But we see that there is consciousness in the effect - I'm conscious, I imagine you are too.
Why shouldn't consciousness exist in the cause?
Because consciousness didn't exist in the effect for a significant portion of it. Thus the reasonable conclusion is that consciousness is the effect of the effect and not a party to the cause.
(October 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Because then we'd have an effect greater than it's cause.
Really? So you have some system of measuring the greatness of causes and effects? Tell me, what standards do you use?
(October 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Like, I threw a nail out of my window, and when I looked outside, there was a brand new car - that doesn't make sense.
It totally makes sense. The nail you threw out punctured the
tire of a brand new car that happened to be driving by.
Regarding your actual argument - a tree grows from an acorn - one of the many, many examples of where the effect is "greater" than the cause.
(October 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: And whether it's proven or not, it's not logical to automatically take a supreme consciousness off the table as a live possibility.
It has never been on the table - except in the minds of deluded theists. So, we have no reason to put it on the table and, given the complex structure required for any consciousness, plenty of reason to take it off - even if it was on the table.
