Human Value Nonexistent?

[Angrboda]

Jesus bloody Christ, I go in the hospital four days and things go to hell in a handbasket.

Trying to "guess" how we got from Jeff's sputtering incredulity concern Nazi medical experiments to mehmet is no doubt a twisted trip.

I'm not going to go too deep tonight, but the people who object to moral relativism have some explaining to do. Namely, how do morals that are independent of us get inside us? Are we swimming in a moral field like the luminiferous ether? And if so, how do we know the ether isn't tuned for the brain of australopethicine rather than homo sapiens. It would seem to matter if the moral code is transmitted through matter or energy, what the design of "the receiver of that moral code." Perhaps the hominids which fit this intangible ether are extinct, and we're proceeding faultily based on inherited legends from that hominid it was designed for.

If you're not postulating a property of matter and energy, you are putting forth a dualism, which makes your problems worse, not better.

I'd like someone who believes in truly objective morality to show a plausible mechanism. Otherwise, it's a waste of my time.

And regards the Mengelian scenarios, this is fundamentally an argument from consequences, that the result of holding to X results in Y, and Y is bad. Even if the premises are true, the conclusion (X is wrong) is not justified. Moreover, people who draw up these Mengelian scenarios overlook an important point. We're interested in how something works in the long run -- the average performance of the species -- not isolated subpopulations. While there are certainly going to be Hitlers and Pol Pots, this is to be expected of a process like evolution. Some experiments will be failed experiments, but on the whole, letting humans figure it out for themselves has resulted in a lot of meaningful and meaningfully free of suffering lives having been lived.