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[Mystic]

So, again, if your standards of evidence allow you to accept Yahweh, then why don't you accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster? What makes him less valid? (Other than the fact that everone knows it is supposed to be a parody)

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I think you are not understanding what they are trying to say. You are stating you have a standard of evidence that leads you to accept Jesus Christ.

They are stating, for that standard evidence, not to be wrong, it cannot be the same in proving things like Quran being the Divine word of God, or a Flying Spagheti Monster existing.

Case in point, I use to read Nahjul Balagha, and thought I knew it must be showing a "higher" human mind then normal humans. Now I go back and read it, and I'm not that impressed.

The Quran also seemed to be of a higher nature, but now it seems like mostly repetitive (fallacies) arguments from emotion.

Feeling the bible is inspired, is one thing, knowing is another.

That said, belief in free-will and (objective) morality or value or praise, is all anecdotal. And most Atheists are not willing to let go of that, just because there is no argument to prove it.

There is no "evidence" for morality or free-will, it's a properly basic belief.

So this issue is really fuzzy.

My issue with "the holy spirit" is that Christians seem to be devoid of it by their own standards.

The bible states anyone whom loves this world or the things in this world is devoid of the love of God. Yet Christians where I'm living are very much in love with both the world and the things in the world. They are not ascetic.

Not only are they in love with it, but are willing to be unjust/oppressive towards other nations and people for the sake of increasing their worldly experience.

If Christians were all saints and more "good" then other people, and acted in a holy honorable fashion not seen in other people, I would say there is perhaps something at work here and this leads them to knowledge of their bible.

But this "holy spirit" guiding seems to contradict reality, where faith really occurs to same reason as other people of other faiths believe. And in this case, it's right to ask, what exactly in the standard of evidence, that makes you not believe in Quran or Bahaism or whatever, but you believe in Christianity.