(September 26, 2009 at 11:58 pm)Arcanus Wrote: Not necessarily—again as I already said previously. For example, an atheist can be fundy about American-made muscle cars, which qualifies as something "other than believing in God" but does not qualify as an "atheistic view." At no time have I argued that atheists are fundy about just any old thing "other than believing in God." This circling about to already addressed points is rather curious and becoming tedious. I implore you, please, when drafting your response to consider whether or not you are raising something we already went over.
My point is, what clarifies as related to atheism, as atheistic - that you can define concisely and use as an argument so as to say that Atheists can be 'fundy' - if atheism is just not believing in God? If an atheistic world-view is simply one without God, is simply related to atheism: Then that could be anything. So I need some examples that you can define. I do not know what you are referring to. How can an atheist be a 'fundy atheist' What is related to not believing in God, that you can define, agree upon and then make the judgement that there are 'fundy atheists'.
'Fundy'= fundamentalist like, but since atheism has no fundamentals other than 1 non-belief (if one non-belief even counts as 'fundamentalism'....), how can atheists be fundamentalist like? I mean, there is one fundamental, but what can be related to that, that an atheist can be 'fundy' about?
Arcanus Wrote:The distinction I drew is—again—that they are fundy about their atheistic views, not atheism in and of itself. It certainly is not obvious to me (nor did I accept) that one's atheistic views can somehow be unrelated to atheism. Atheistic views are by definition related to atheism. However, "related to" does not mean "the same as" (i.e., metaphysical naturalism is an "atheistic view" but is not "atheism").
Yes, you say they are fundy about their atheistic views you say. But if this is not at all atheism in and of itself, then please define accurately for me what these atheistic views are that you are talking about. Because if it's not at all atheism in and of itself, then you're basically describing atheists that are fundy about other things right? That non-atheists can be fundy about too. In which case I don't see your point.
So give me some examples please.
P.S: Nice sig Bare assertions are indeed not arguments (not talking about you).
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