RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 31, 2012 at 12:36 pm
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2012 at 12:41 pm by Mystic.)
(October 31, 2012 at 12:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Do we? You tell me, is someone else an authority on what you prefer?
Well I once had a dream that I was riding a giant cougar. When I woke up, intuitively, I said my desire is getting strong, and I probably need to get married, before it's out of control. I took that it's tamed now, but it's huge.
So we have a desire, but in Islam for example, we need to "subdue that desire" and control it, by "knowledge of virtue".
In bleach, Ichigo had at one point been taken over by "demon" part of him, and had to do battle, to tame it. It was only when he realized he was that entity, that he could subdue to him. I don't know, maybe the author of bleach is trying to teach us something
Maybe we do have "spiritual guide" and "demon" within us, and we need both, and we need power of both, but it's all about balance.
Quote: If you say that you value red more than blue, and someone else says that you value blue more than red...who's authority should I accept with regards to your values?
I don't see the point you are making.
Quote:Curiously this authority must still be "within" you somehow, why do you suppose that is? Do you like red because you believe you like red?
I don't know, I am confused. I don't even know why we prefer one thing over another. Maybe we shouldn't "prefer" one colour over another, but society taught us to pick favorites, like asking what is your favorite colour while we are children, and then we thought we must have a favorite. I really don't know.
I think personally my favorite food is lasagna primarily because of reading garfield as a kid.
Quote:Is there some other kind of god? lol. Choosing an action and choosing what to value aren't entirely equivalent, now are they? To say that you are an authority on your favorite color does not imply that you have the authority to take certain action based upon your preference (and authority over it).
They aren't equivalent, but they are linked. Sep 11, the hijackers would not have done what they done, if they didn't believe in what they were doing. Did they have the right to chose what they did? Or to even to chose to believe they should?
Quote:It would be difficult to imagine how you could be "wrong" about your own opinions, so long as they were consistent, and even then, I don't know that being inconsistent equates to being wrong.
That's the thing, subjectively, there is no right or wrong.
Quote:The two of you can elaborate upon your position, suppose I say that it is one of the best games ever because it is well polished, the ui is intuitive, and further develops a wildly succesful IP. I promise you that some bean counter at Blizzard made this exact case as impassionately as a rock.
But when we thought it was one of the best games, did we do so based on analytical reasoning, or is simply properly basic perception, that cannot be justified by words?
Quote:If the subject is passion, specifically your own, what other authority applies?
Passion is an authority now?
(October 31, 2012 at 12:27 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Really mystic...are you insane?? WHY are you worrying about such nonexistent trifles??
Because I am seeking direction and certainty.