The Dalai Lama and Quantum Physics

[Angrboda]

I think you fundie atheist can't differentiate different situation and use common sense. It is very hypocritical. Religion had been around for much longer than any or most of what we know about science today even exist. I dont think they are using any underhanded method to advocate invalid things. They are just belief that had been passed down for generations of practitioners. And I think the fact that they encourage practitioners to give science a superior authority and to side with science in case of conflict between their belief and science said otherwise and in a way advocating the credibility of science. I understand you don't believe in their religion, neither do I, I also understand that you probably have very limited knowledge of their belief, but I think you should atleast give them some credit for the fact that they are humble enough to accept something that would conflict with their belief. Buddhism is rarely a religion that is in your face or force down your throat, infact that is against their belief. If they can do that, I am sure yall can atleast take some effort in seeing that instead of being so narrow-minded.

Fuck you. First, you're making a hell of a lot more assumptions than I am. You paint all of us who are critical of Buddhism with derogatory and condescending labels like "fundie atheist" — using your own brand of ignorant bigotry in defense of something you yourself are obviously not particularly knowledgable about. They don't encourage practitioners to give science the superior authority, in general. I won't claim to have spoken to a lot of Buddhists, but having just got kicked out of a Buddhist reading club for "being disruptive and argumentative," in other words, for asking uncomfortable questions, I think I likely have more boots on the ground than you. (The last straw apparently was when I told the organizer who I was working these issues through with that I didn't think his personal tutelage on the Dharma would provide any answers. Apparently doubting his competence or understanding of the Dharma was a form of group disruption. I can disrupt an entire group just by harshing one guy's mellow. Phear! Immediately after that email, he deleted my account.) And I spoke to a Buddhist who studied overseas for two years, and he assured me that Buddhism was a regimented, weekly experience over there, just like Christian services over here. Buddhism is much more heirarchical and institutionalized over there. I have a friend on another forum who is a former Buddhist monk, having been trained in the Thai forest tradition, and he tells me in no uncertain terms in a lot of Buddhist traditions, it's little more than a Buddha fan club. Believe what you want, so long as it drips from Siddhartha's ass. And as if the mystical intonations overlaid on meditation, the four noble truths, or Anatta are falsifiable doctrines. It's like Nietzsche said about Christianity, "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point." Buddhism is the same way, nothing that matters to Buddhists can ever be proven wrong because it comes straight out of metaphysical Lala land. Defer to science my ass. The only reason the Dalai Lama makes such noises is because his little theocratic fiefdom got shitcanned by the communists, and he's running a government in exile; he'll suck up to anybody that has the potential to improve his bottom line. That's all he is: a dethroned king, sucking up to Western princes. Prove me wrong. Show me one Buddhist truth that can't equally well be mere Makyo.

And you with your bleeding heart sympathies, suggesting we give this religion a pass because, to you, it would be wrong not to defer to these beliefs because, well, who knows. I suppose you suggest we defer to people practicing female genital mutilation in Africa, because, well, it's their tradition, and they've been born into it, and it likely goes back hundreds of years. What a pathetically stupid set of rationalizations for giving people who don't deserve a pass the pass they don't deserve.

And while you didn't address me by name, your referring to me as a "fundie atheist" shows how far off in Lala land your views are, not exactly touching reality at many points either. I am a Taoist and a Hindu, and your bigoted, ignorant, stereotyping nonsense is an incredible display of incompetence and arrogance. You've just called a theist an atheist. I can't wait for your encore. A little watery eye into whine, perhaps? My Taoist traditions have been around as long as Buddhism, and my Hindu traditions thousands of years more, if not tens of thousands. Come here, I've got some spittle I'm just sure you'd love to lick.