fr0d0 Wrote:The bible is absolutely applicable as it details what the correct moral standpoint is and what God is. We can take that and use it to understand the present.
God is what he is. A known attribute is that he is never changing.
If god created as the bible said he did, he would have to be a sentient being. Sentient beings think for themselves. Are you saying that a thinking being did not change any attitudes or veiwpoints in 2000 years just because he is all-powerful? That is either extreme stubborness or god doesent care; either way those are attributes god supposedly doesent have.
fr0d0 Wrote:His logic is screwey because he attributes wildly to Christianity what is not Christianity:
"there is no question about [God's existence]" - yes there is.
"god exists because humans cannot understand god" - no he doesn't.
"church tells us something, and tries to pass it as truth, and tells us we don't understand it therefore it is true" - crazy logic
Atheist argument relies on screwey logic.. cherry picking as with denying philosophy with science.
It is not my logic, nor is it the logic of all christians, but some of the more fundamental and extreme christians use this, and I here am stating it to be screwey in this thread.
Where is the first statement in quotemarks from? I dont recognize it from anywhere.
I agree that ""god exists because humans cannot understand god" - no he doesn't."
"church tells us something, and tries to pass it as truth, and tells us we don't understand it therefore it is true" - crazy logic <--- Entire point of this thread
Philosophy can and often does use or is based on science, instead of religion, the athiest argument here is that the church sometimes uses screwey logic.
I have never confirmed of denied if i think in my opinion the bible is logic or has some bit of reason, i do state the bible was more applicable to the peoples of hundreds of years ago than it is to us here today, as so much changes in such a long time; as you said, 'the morals in the bible are still good', but those are not affected by time, as an ethical lesson is an ethical lesson nomatter what religion you are.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" - P.J. O'Rourke
"Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." - Margaret Thatcher
"Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success." - Christopher Lasch
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" - P.J. O'Rourke
"Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." - Margaret Thatcher
"Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success." - Christopher Lasch