(November 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(November 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Why not? Because something cannot exist prior to it's own existence in order to cause itself into existence. This is patently obvious.
Now YOU EXPLAIN WHY SELF-CAUSATION IS POSSIBLE?
I never argued this. This is a point you raised. You explain why self-causation, if that's even the way it happened, is impossible.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Timeless, spaceless and immaterial: Having no dimensionality of time, space or material. Pretending you can't understand is not an argument.
I quite agree. This is probably the only truthful thing you've said so far.
Do you have a problem with science when it leads to things like computers, the internet, cars, aeroplanes, space travel, GPS satellites, telecom satellites, medicines, surgical procedures, gene therapy, materials technology, farming technology, food preservation, etc etc, or is it just when science pokes its nose into territory that is the traditional purview of holy books?
You protested my claim that self-causation is impossible.
I love science. Been immersed in science since I was a kid. I was just tutoring my daughter who also loves science. My father is a retired Nuclear Physicist. I properly delineate science from Naturalist philosophy.
Atheism is not science, nor is it scientific. Atheism is a belief position. When taken seriously in reason, Atheism undermines any reason to trust the rational order of mind that science rests upon.
