RE: My dumbass parents doubt evolution
November 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2012 at 2:08 pm by Truth Matters.)
(November 9, 2012 at 1:32 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Do you believe in gravity, Truth? Because I'd like you to test it by attempting to fly off a cliff.
Trust me, the gravity exists whether you believe in it or not.
But go ahead, tell us what sort of beliefs can't be "proven" by science.
Gravity isn't science. Gravity is a Law imposed on our Universe.
Science presumes gravity exists, but cannot cause gravity. We believe gravity exists based on experiences of it, but cannot prove it without arguing in circles.
What sorts of other beliefs cant be proven by science?
Well let's see...
1) Mathematics cannot be proven by science. Science rests on certain mathematical assumptions we all reasonably hold to be true, but cannot be proven scientifically without arguing in circles.
2) Same as above for Logic
3) Historical Truths - you cannot prove most of the past by science. Prove Napoleon rode a horse on April 6... using science?
4) You cannot prove epistemological truths by science. You cannot prove the external world is real or that other minds objectively exist as something other than deliverance of our own chemical delusion - using science.
5) You cannot prove Beethoven was a talented composer by science.
6) You cannot prove moral knowledge by science. Try proving that raping children is wrong by scientific testing. Do you not believe raping children is wrong?
7) You cannot prove your life has intrinsic value by science. Do you believe your life has no intrinsic value? Do you believe your life only has extrinsic make-believe value?
8) You cannot prove science is valid by science. You would be arguing in a circle.
9) You cannot prove universal negatives by science. That alone, would be most truths.
Do I need to continue?
This modern notion that science is omnipotent is terribly misguided.
Most truth cannot be accessed by science. Science is a useful enterprise, but it is very limited. It's extremely misguided to believe that only scientifically validated truths are worthy of belief.
(November 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Belief is something you have in something if you have insufficient evidence but still think it is so.
Do you believe that statement of yours? Prove it with sufficient evidence to KNOW it is true?
If you can't, why do you make statements based on insufficient evidence? Do you not believe your statement is true? Then why did you make it?
Your BELIEF is logically incoherent and self-defeating.
(November 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Belief is something you have in something if you have insufficient evidence but still think it is so.
Do you believe that statement of yours? Prove it with sufficient evidence to KNOW it is true?
If you can't, why do you make statements based on insufficient evidence? Do you not believe your statement is true? Then why did you make it?
Your BELIEF is logically incoherent and self-defeating.
