Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.

[Angrboda]

I did give examples. They were dismissed as not being 'hateful enough' so I pointed to his thread/poll "http://atheistforums.org/thread-15615.html" Where his hate/anger carries over to his own father. I can also point to his current thread/poll where he is currently defending his particular use of 'facts' that supports his title assertion that in the beginning man was stupid." In this thread he starts off discussing biblical passages, and has since turned the conversation to 'facts' he presents to support stereotypes and focused bigotry he feels is justified for the people who lived in the time, and culture that Genesis was originally written. He has even attacked the characteristics of the penis' of the men who lived in that region and time. Which is something the Nazis directly did! They did this to dehumanize the Jews. Cinny is doing the same thing.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/rim3.htm

...For what it is worth Alpo..

Please reference me to the posts claiming that his conduct was not 'hateful enough' —

Do your own research. I took the time to write it the first time and if you want to argue something I wrote then YOU find it, read it and address it yourself.

Fair enough. You want to be uncivil and unkind, I can be as well. The bulk of my reply will have to wait, but I wish to point out something below. (By the way, asking for a complete citation when someone is presenting evidence is generally considered a perfectly legitimate request.)


It appears that you have quoted the following from Merriam-Webster online dictionary, and the supplementary information accompanying the definition of the word propaganda. (ETA: This appears to derive from the Britannica Concise, which I can't locate at the moment.)

propaganda
Noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Manipulation of information to influence public opinion. The term comes from Congregatio de Propaganda Fide (Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith), a missionary organization established by the pope in 1622. Propagandists emphasize the elements of information that support their position and deemphasize or exclude those that do not. Misleading statements and even lies may be used to create the desired effect in the public audience.

And immediately below that the claim that you haven't, "changed or manipulated anything." However, if we but quote the rest of the passage you are citing, then it's clear that you are manipulating all of us here by misleadingly failing to quote an importantly relevant portion of your own chosen authority. The "Concise Encyclopedia" goes on to state that, "Lobbying, advertising, and missionary activity are all forms of propaganda..." (emphasis mine) It would appear that by both definitions (misleading, manipulating — your words, and that of your source), you are engaged in propaganda. Moreover, you're being far more dishonest, I think, in your efforts, than Cinjin ever has been. Moreover, something else has been pointed out to me yesterday. It has been stated that one is entitled to one's opinions, but not one's facts. But this is a distortion, because there exists a sea of facts among which we all pick and choose those we consider relevant and important to our opinions, you no less than anyone else. So we are entitled to choose our opinions in a biased manner, but we likewise cannot help but bias our selection of facts as well. You are no less guilty of this in choosing to present those aspects of your dream experience which you find compelling, and neglecting to also present the research showing how dream prophecy, prophecy of religious nature, and prophecy in general are wholly and categorically unreliable. You chose to manipulate and mislead us by selecting certain facts to highlight, and other facts to ignore. If you maintain that you have not done this, in spite of your claims otherwise, you are either lying, deluded, or too stupid to breathe.

(By the way, I do not particularly care for use of derogatory smileys in a polite conversation when used simply as an excessive display of contempt for the person you are speaking with. I consider it both arrogant and uncivil.)