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Experiencing 'proof'
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RE: Experiencing 'proof'
(November 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Isn't he just stating the argument from religious experience but in more words?

Something like:

1. When people experience X they have good reason to believe X exists unless they have reason to think otherwise. (Experiences are treated as innocent until proven guilty)

Yeah, we can all agree: Drich did indeed experience a dream.

(November 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: 2. Experiences occur which seem to their subjects to be of God.

As do alleged alien abductions.

(November 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: 3. There are no good reasons for thinking all or most experiences which seem to their subjects to be of God are delusive.

Really? I don't think there is any good reason to think any of them are not delusive. A dream proves nothing but that someone had a dream. If I dream of a talking dog does this provide evidence that there is a talking dog somewhere? If I dream of alins who telepathically send dreams into people's heads of them sending dreams into other people's heads does this provide evidence that the source of the dream is said alien? No, it would be absurd to think so, and yet gos, as always, gets a "get out of scrutiny free" pass. ("get out of scrutiny free pass"...I think I'm going to hang onto that one)

(November 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: 4. It is rational to believe that at least some experiences which seem to their subjects to be of God really are experiences of God.
5. It is rational to believe that God exists.

No it isn't and no it isn't. You seem to be making an argument ad populum. "That many people couldn't be wrong!" When, in fact, there is no actual evidence that any of these experiences are anything more than what they are scientifically demonstrated to be.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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Messages In This Thread
Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Mister Agenda - November 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by festive1 - November 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Shell B - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Faith No More - November 14, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cato - November 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Simon Moon - November 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Welsh cake - November 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by CapnAwesome - November 14, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 14, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Strongbad - November 14, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 14, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cato - November 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Simon Moon - November 15, 2012 at 12:21 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 14, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 14, 2012 at 11:33 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Kirbmarc - November 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 15, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Welsh cake - November 15, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gilgamesh - November 16, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by mr.atheist - November 15, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Undeceived - November 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Undeceived - November 15, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Kousbroek - November 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Simon Moon - November 15, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Strongbad - November 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 15, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by mr.atheist - November 16, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Kirbmarc - November 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 15, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 16, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 16, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 16, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Welsh cake - November 16, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 16, 2012 at 3:38 pm

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