Determinism.....

[solarwave]

Im quite supprised by how many have clicked free will actually.

Yes, and the day they show that the results of the experiment are wrong, or that we can somehow overcome our subconsciousness, I will probably switch back again. So far, all the evidence looks like we are just natural machines. The only difference is that we have self-awareness, and the illusion of choice.

So when you say the subconscious decides before the conscious do you mean it decides while we are still thinking 'maybe I should do this or maybe that', or do you mean it decides just before us, meaning it chooses the act just before we decide that is the best action to take?

So does that mean you owe Lacie Green an apology Adrian. :p

Lacie Green from youtube is that? Shes cool

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My opinion on this is that on the naturalistic world view we are most likely determined by physics. My reasoning is because if we and our minds are made of just atoms then the state of our brain depends upon the state it was last in and any stimulus comming from outside (such as sight or touch). So if every thought we have just just a movement or placement of particles wouldn't it make us determined?

I think we are free though, that our minds (somehow non-physical) are somehow a cause in themselves which would have to mean our mind would have to affect the brain somehow which may become detectable by science if it is true.